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This is what I don't get. If people had to choose between a world that wasn't free of imperfection and one that is, it seems many would choose the imperfect world. But some of those same people say that any God who would allow us to exist in this imperfect world (with the resulting pain and discomfort) is unworthy to either be called good or God, therefore a good God can't exist. Odd.
This is what I don't get. If people had to choose between a world that wasn't free of imperfection and one that is, it seems many would choose the imperfect world. But some of those same people say that any God who would allow us to exist in this imperfect world (with the resulting pain and discomfort) is unworthy to either be called good or God, therefore a good God can't exist. Odd.
As usual, you have a way of getting to the root of things, Pleroo. This is the attitude that tends to dominate thoughts about the existence of God.
So if thats true, why doesn't world A just do that?
Cuz god?
because in World A people are unwilling to let go of hate and anger and war and greed and violence; they insist they are necessary, required, impossible to live without, that they are natural and that humans can not live and exist without them; they are victims of their own chosen hostility
in World B the people see that it is a choice, and they choose not to, because they can see the damage it causes; they take responsibility for their actions, instead of claiming they don't have a choice
because in World A people are unwilling to let go of hate and anger and war and greed and violence; they insist they are necessary, required, impossible to live without, that they are natural and that humans can not live and exist without them; they are victims of their own chosen hostility
in World B the people see that it is a choice, and they choose not to, because they can see the damage it causes; they take responsibility for their actions, instead of claiming they don't have a choice
But thats just the point...people have both options in both worlds. You can't say hate & war & violence aren't possible in world B if you aren't somehow restricting the possible outcomes, based on what we know to be human behavior throughout history.
And how does either world have anything to do with the concept of god? The behaviors of people in either world are completely isolated for all intents & purposes.
Thats why its a strange contrast as world B would also have those things...as the people of world B would need to either (a) violate those agreements daily everytime they they stub their toe & trigger anger emotions, go on a vacation & decide "I want a boat just like that", or a friend tells their other friend "no, that dress doesn't make you look fat"....or (b) the god of world B makes those emotions & actions completely impossible so you are essentially not able to do those things, thus supprtessing emotions which are naturally occurring human emotions... or (c) try to limit those situations (as often as you can) and hope everybody else does as well. Thus, you get world A anyway.
The end result is that in order to adhere to the edict of world B, you'd have to make them impossible feeling & actions to occur or agree to punish anybody doing those things, including yourself.
I could live without all the bad things in world A. I see no reason for greed and war and all the other bad things. Sure, maybe I would end up being punished in the end because I am human and not perfect, so maybe I would end up getting angry at something and vaporized, but if given a choice, I would choose to live in world B.
I could live without all the bad things in world A. I see no reason for greed and war and all the other bad things. Sure, maybe I would end up being punished in the end because I am human and not perfect, so maybe I would end up getting angry at something and vaporized, but if given a choice, I would choose to live in world B.
you would be fine on world B Ashley and a welcome addition
You can't say hate & war & violence aren't possible in world B based on what we know to be human behavior throughout history.
hate and war and violence are a choice that humans make
have you ever raised children? we can raise them to be peaceful, or we can raise them to be violent
it is possible in a family, it is possible in a community, it is possible in a world
how does either world have anything to do with the concept of god?
because hate, violence, war, greed, and oppression have nothing to do with god, they are entirely a human choice; so people are left to their own devices, to deal with the natural consequences of their own choices
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This is the attitude that tends to dominate thoughts about the existence of God.
