Fundy county clerk ordered to issue marriage licenses (Biblically, Savior, Jesus)
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I draw the distinction between luxury and necessity. A cab driver provides a needed service that can cause harm if not fulfilled. So does a doctor or a plumber. A Christian baker is providing a luxury. The only harm is inconvenience and someone being offended.
I wouldn't support a Christian doctor or plumber refuses service to a gay person either. That is morally wrong in those circumstances.
I'm so happy to see that your religious "faith" depends on the job you take. A "needed" service gets an "indulgence" from your fundamentalism.
Your hypocrisy is astounding!!! I'm beginning to see from these repetitious posts that you are not very mature, not matter what your age.
By the way, from the half dozen times or more that I've shown homosexuality as clearly evidenced in the animal kingdom, when do you think animals "chose" to be engaged in their "lifestyle?"
I draw the distinction between luxury and necessity. A cab driver provides a needed service that can cause harm if not fulfilled. So does a doctor or a plumber. A Christian baker is providing a luxury. The only harm is inconvenience and someone being offended.
I wouldn't support a Christian doctor or plumber refuses service to a gay person either. That is morally wrong in those circumstances.
And again, you're rationalizing discrimination.
'It's okay if a Christan baker refuses to serve a same-sex couple, but God's wrath will be on a Christian who refuses to fix a pipe for them'.
It's not about 'harm', Jeff. It's about meeting the requirements of the job for which you are being paid.
The bakers aren't being paid to refuse to bake a cake. The county clerk is not being paid to refuse to perform her duties as a government employee.
Like it or not, Jeff, the law applies to everyone, and in both of the above cases, the persons involved broke the law.
The appeals court has affirmed the lower court ruling. It would appear that the clerk will have to make a choice very soon. She can comply. She can be held in contempt of court. She can resign. She can appeal to the Supreme Court.
I think she will threaten to appeal to the Supreme Court until she finds out how expensive that will be and how long it will take. Then she'll follow the law. (Just my guess.)
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The appeals court has affirmed the lower court ruling. It would appear that the clerk will have to make a choice very soon. She can comply. She can be held in contempt of court. She can resign. She can appeal to the Supreme Court.
I think she will threaten to appeal to the Supreme Court until she finds out how expensive that will be and how long it will take. Then she'll follow the law. (Just my guess.)
'It's okay if a Christan baker refuses to serve a same-sex couple, but God's wrath will be on a Christian who refuses to fix a pipe for them'.
It's not about 'harm', Jeff. It's about meeting the requirements of the job for which you are being paid.
The bakers aren't being paid to refuse to bake a cake. The county clerk is not being paid to refuse to perform her duties as a government employee.
Like it or not, Jeff, the law applies to everyone, and in both of the above cases, the persons involved broke the law.
And again, you refuse to acknowledge that this is a conflict of discrimination vs freedom of religion. I simply don't believe freedom of religion should ALWAYS yield to freedom from discrimination. With your mentality, you would have absolutely no problem with FORCING pastors to marry gays or accept gays as church members. Otherwise it's discrimination! After all if we are talking about absolute elimination of discrimination in all facets of life then why would you be opposed to that?
I'm so happy to see that your religious "faith" depends on the job you take. A "needed" service gets an "indulgence" from your fundamentalism.
Your hypocrisy is astounding!!! I'm beginning to see from these repetitious posts that you are not very mature, not matter what your age.
By the way, from the half dozen times or more that I've shown homosexuality as clearly evidenced in the animal kingdom, when do you think animals "chose" to be engaged in their "lifestyle?"
Calling me a hypocrite or immature is pointless and irrelevant. Just another typical superiority tactic. But if you want to play that game, I think it is a great example of immaturity to stomp your feet and throw a tantrum because you just can't stand that someone doesn't agree with you. Maturity is being able to consume a difference of opinion yet still maintain a level of respect to the opposing party.
As for the animal kingdom, if you are going to use them as an example then I guess it's nature for parents to eat their young like animals do, right?
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
And again, you refuse to acknowledge that this is a conflict of discrimination vs freedom of religion. I simply don't believe freedom of religion should ALWAYS yield to freedom from discrimination. With your mentality, you would have absolutely no problem with FORCING pastors to marry gays or accept gays as church members. Otherwise it's discrimination! After all if we are talking about absolute elimination of discrimination in all facets of life then why would you be opposed to that?
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
Calling me a hypocrite or immature is pointless and irrelevant. Just another typical superiority tactic. But if you want to play that game, I think it is a great example of immaturity to stomp your feet and throw a tantrum because you just can't stand that someone doesn't agree with you. Maturity is being able to consume a difference of opinion yet still maintain a level of respect to the opposing party.
As for the animal kingdom, if you are going to use them as an example then I guess it's nature for parents to eat their young like animals do, right?
If your faith requires you to hate someone, your faith is wrong.
This is all so messed up. Worst of all, tax money is being spent on all of it! Too bad they can't do something productive for society with that money...instead of fight over dumb stuff.
It seems that "conscientious objection" is only supported if the judge happens to feel they also disagree with what is being objected to. I guess some are of the OPINION (because that is all the basis behind any law ever is--the opinion of whoever drafts or supports it) that Military Service is okay to object to...but not homosexuality.
This is what you get when a society creates too many laws, regulations, and ordinances.
We have one Rule (#14) that says the law is equal for everyone...then another rule (#1) that says the government isn't supposed to make any law that prohibits the free exercise of religious beliefs.
But the government keeps violating their own rule and keep forming legal opinions about the free exercise of religion. So, we then make annnnnnnother law that allows for "conscientious objection"...and then more laws about when that is or isn't applicable, and more laws about the laws that are relative to the other laws, and what exceptions there are to those laws! It's all just to create high paying jobs for people to mess with other people.
We need to get rid of about 95% of the laws, regulations, and ordinances...and the people who make them, in my OPINION.
If your faith requires you to hate someone, your faith is wrong.
Amen! This is so obvious and simple that it is a puzzle why it is not better understood.
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