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Let's assume there is your god.
It's been stated here that the poor long-suffering child was made to do so, so that the Greater GOOD could come about. That obviously implies that the afterlife is preferable and worth suffering for.
OK...so another child gets killed immediately, without suffering, in an auto accident.
Why was the one poor kid made to suffer while the other was not? Was his death 'wasted' because he didn't suffer? Did he earn fewer points or something?
Did the first child deserve the pain?
You bet your ass it's all easier to understand without a god but if you or Eusie or Vizio would like to explain this, we're ready to listen.
I do not agree with what's been stated by Eusebius. Bad things occur because we live in a sinful, broken world (Genesis 3). Where Christianity differs from Atheism is that Christianity offers help in the present and hope for the future, through Jesus Christ. Atheism offers "sucks to be you" and death.
Now, explain the benefits of Atheism, with regard to human suffering.
I do not agree with what's been stated by Eusebius. Bad things occur because we live in a sinful, broken world (Genesis 3). Where Christianity differs from Atheism is that Christianity offers help in the present and hope for the future, through Jesus Christ. Atheism offers "sucks to be you" and death.
Now, explain the benefits of Atheism, with regard to human suffering.
You are correct: atheism does not offer the false hope that Christianity does.
Not everyone wants to be deceived for their own good.
I do not agree with what's been stated by Eusebius. Bad things occur because we live in a sinful, broken world (Genesis 3). Where Christianity differs from Atheism is that Christianity offers help in the present and hope for the future, through Jesus Christ. Atheism offers "sucks to be you" and death.
Now, explain the benefits of Atheism, with regard to human suffering.
What help does Christianity offer in the present? Zero, in my experience as a Christian. You are told that god loves you and cares about you and yours, but when reality runs contrary to that, well, "mysterious ways" and chastisement and secret sin and so forth. How comforting IS that, really? Not comforting at all, to me. Quite the opposite. It feels like broken promises of comfort, protection, safety, blessing.
The only unqualified promise is in the afterlife, where for some strange reason all the arguments about free will and robots goes out the window and it's suddenly fine for god to intervene and interact. Even then, he has to first "wipe away every tear" and trust me, there are a LOT of those. It begs the question why he lets all that build up in the first place.
What does atheism offer? Reality without comforting lies. Much less cognitive dissonance trying to reconcile the one-the-ground facts of life (it's what you'd expect if you lived in an indifferent universe) with the promises of god (which creates an entirely different and unrealistic set of expectations).
Atheism offers a true picture of what one is entitled to expect. Much, much better in the long run.
What help does Christianity offer in the present? Zero, in my experience as a Christian. You are told that god loves you and cares about you and yours, but when reality runs contrary to that, well, "mysterious ways" and chastisement and secret sin and so forth. How comforting IS that, really? Not comforting at all, to me. Quite the opposite. It feels like broken promises of comfort, protection, safety, blessing.
The only unqualified promise is in the afterlife, where for some strange reason all the arguments about free will and robots goes out the window and it's suddenly fine for god to intervene and interact. Even then, he has to first "wipe away every tear" and trust me, there are a LOT of those. It begs the question why he lets all that build up in the first place.
What does atheism offer? Reality without comforting lies. Much less cognitive dissonance trying to reconcile the one-the-ground facts of life (it's what you'd expect if you lived in an indifferent universe) with the promises of god (which creates an entirely different and unrealistic set of expectations).
Atheism offers a true picture of what one is entitled to expect. Much, much better in the long run.
Reality? Atheism is illogical! Seriously, this is all just one big accident? That makes no sense, when we can easily observe that all things we see and know have a cause.
Atheism says, "I don't understand God and don't like what He does, so I will ignore the obvious and say I don't believe. In the meantime, I'll go on internet message boards and rail against God, who doesn't really exist."
Reality? Atheism is illogical! Seriously, this is all just one big accident? That makes no sense, when we can easily observe that all things we see and know have a cause.
As usual you are not responding to an argument I am making, and, you are ignoring the people who you think made that argument as well, who have repeatedly explained to you the difference between different kinds of randomness and which ones even qualify as "accidents".
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Atheism says, "I don't understand God and don't like what He does, so I will ignore the obvious and say I don't believe. In the meantime, I'll go on internet message boards and rail against God, who doesn't really exist."
I understood God as well at least as you and had no objections to the things he's said to like.
I don't SAY I don't believe. I simply don't believe ... as there is no good reason to afford belief.
I don't "rail against god". I participate in discussions in which I have every bit as much right as you to participate. In fact without opposing viewpoints it wouldn't even BE a meaningful discussion. Your fantasy world of course is one in which everyone thinks your beliefs are great and it's one great big echo chamber of affirmation for you. Sadly, that is not the Real World; your beliefs have to be substantiated and logically underpinned just like anyone else's.
As usual you are not responding to an argument I am making, and, you are ignoring the people who you think made that argument as well, who have repeatedly explained to you the difference between different kinds of randomness and which ones even qualify as "accidents".
Your argument:
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What does atheism offer? Reality without comforting lies. Much less cognitive dissonance trying to reconcile the one-the-ground facts of life (it's what you'd expect if you lived in an indifferent universe) with the promises of god (which creates an entirely different and unrealistic set of expectations).
Not much depth.
Cognitive dissonance? Atheism is ignoring the obvious. Everything has a source. Why would life be different?
Reality? Atheism is illogical! Seriously, this is all just one big accident? That makes no sense, when we can easily observe that all things we see and know have a cause.
Atheism says, "I don't understand God and don't like what He does, so I will ignore the obvious and say I don't believe. In the meantime, I'll go on internet message boards and rail against God, who doesn't really exist."
Sweetie, maybe if you stopped using the word 'accident' and used 'incident' in it's place it might make more sense to you....as it does with us.
There is no 'railing against god' , it's railing against the assumptions ( not always the same, BTW) you believers try to offer as THE TRUTH which has an affect, if not by way of legislation, then more importantly, in what the next generation believes.
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There actually is no proof the Israelites created the God of the Bible. So why say it? If anything, the Israelites originally took on the false religions and then the one true God had to reveal Himself to them.
Explain "El" and "Elohim" and the meanings thereof, as well as their etymology.
You may not like the real truth.
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