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Not a day goes by that person X declares 2+2 = 4 and person Y declares 2+2 = 5 and both are convinced of their rightness. That was her assertion.
I understand that. But only one is actually correct.
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Actually it is a bad analogy because there you have two mathematical statements and one can be demonstrated to be incorrect according to accepted mathematical principles. Usually when it comes to religion it is two dogmatic assertions, for example, signs and wonders are or are not for today, or salvation is or is not by faith alone, or god is vengeance itself, or in the alternative, benevolent and merciful. All these positions can be proof-texted as much as you like, so it's not like you can claim there's an unambiguous right or wrong that is objectively determinable from scripture. Or that your interpretive system for scripture is objectively correct.
Dogma or math, 2 mutually exclusive things cannot both be true.
Dogma or math, 2 mutually exclusive things cannot both be true.
You are assuming you can't possibly argue about two things that are untrue, or which inherently cannot be demonstrated to be true OR untrue. Dogma is a set of principles laid down by authority as incontrovertibly true, and it is not allowed to question it. Given that ... what basis do you have to suggest that in any given theological argument, one position is true, and one is false? All you can really do is appeal to your dogma of choice (or to your authority of choice) as incontrovertible.
Then God is a terrible communicator. S/he could choose to communicate clearly, or communicate in such a way that can be easily confused for a series of rather mundane coincidences. I am going to go with the 3rd option; it is a series of random coincidences.
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Your Mormon friend has no business pressuring you to convert. Tell him that and ask him nicely to stop. Remind him that his religion teaches that without the witness of the Holy Ghost, you aren't going to be converting to anything, and that, alone, he is powerless to force you to change your mind, no matter how persuasive he may be. (I know that wasn't your question, but it's just something I thought I'd throw into the conversation.)
Pressuring to convert might be a poor way of phrasing it. I will clarify that he is doing no more than most door to door Mormon missionaries that I have met, and I haven't tried to dissuade him. The only ground rules to our conversations have been mutually agreed to. We both get an opportunity to present our beliefs to the other, and the we strive to give each other equal time to present our case. Not much different than many of the debates on this forum.
If religious churches have a lot of funerals then it is not the church to be going to , ...or find the churches with less or no funerals , there will God be
Mormonism? Really Vizio, this is the level you have stooped to by desperation? It's probably religious addiction and ignorance trying to win him over instead. If God-Jesus-Other were a better communicator and accomplisher of his supposed desires, fishbrains would already be the second "born late" apostle, right after Paul.
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Because God abandons people when they die? Because those who truly believe in God don't die?
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Say what ?
I think it is more about the NT quote from Jesus "let the dead bury the dead"... Although a lot of Christians interpret it as merely "discriminate in funerals against non-Christians" not as "avoid funerals of even Christian dead bodies" like hljc seems to be interpreting it.
All humans has an inherent "heat-seeking-missile" within the DNA blueprints to seek out a religion or the likes to resolve an inherent unavoidable existential dilemma. When the relevant existential dilemma switch is "ON" it will manifests terrible psychological pains subliminally in the majority and they will jump and cling on to the nearest viable religion. This is why the majority of humans are religious.
Because religions actually are effective in soothing the terrible existential pains believers need to seek further assurance to reinforce they are on the right track.
The very existence of non-believers and other religions send the message the strength of their beliefs are diluted and could be wrong, thus pricking the bubble of the assurance they need.
This is why there is so much pressure on believers [many] to convince non-believers and other [directly or indirectly] to be on the same bandwagon as their religion.
The existential dilemma switch of the non-believers are "OFF" but for many this switch is loose. Thus when non-believers are exposed to death, proselytizing by others, lapses, etc. this trigger the looser existential dilemma switch towards "ON". A conscious effort of rationality is necessary to resist and keep the switch "OFF." Non-believers with lesser rational strength may give way and when the switch is turned to "ON" they convert to soothe the associated existential pains.
The existential dilemma [ED] that drives one towards religion or theism is a very fundamental force which is stronger than the hunger and sex drive, perhaps just next to breathing. For non-believers the neurons that inhibit this ED drive is very flimsy and thus vulnerable to be overcome. That was what happened to Anthony Drew, once a world famous atheist, who caved in and turned deist. That is the seductiveness of theism.
Obviously, my point was that he should trust Christ as his savior.
But even Muslims trust Messiah Jesus as one of their saviors (along with police-people and fire-fighters, etc), with Muhammad as their prophet of what trusting Jesus as one's Last Messiah means.
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All humans has an inherent "heat-seeking-missile" within the DNA blueprints to seek out a religion or the likes to resolve an inherent unavoidable existential dilemma. When the relevant existential dilemma switch is "ON" it will manifests terrible psychological pains subliminally in the majority and they will jump and cling on to the nearest viable religion. This is why the majority of humans are religious.
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Not all humans. Genetics are varied. For example Piraha tribe, etc.
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