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Of which you have presented not a credible shred - just fiddling with definitions. And more clumsily than Mystic does.
I presented irrefutable evidence that unequivocally PROVES the GOD that I perceive (ALL THE MATTER/ENERGY THAT EXISTS AND HAS EXISTED) objectively exists.
You provided nothing whatsoever to refute or rebut it in any reasonable and credible way.
All you do is redact known, expert, FULL definitions...and add attributes that GOD does possess, but are not required to be GOD.
Still atheism will only exist while Jesus Holy spirit is still on Jesus people , then when Holy Spirit time is full all unbelief will be gone from the earth , as Jesus has taken the sins of the world and now has full authority over the earth , it will only be a matter of time before be completes the work of His authority over the earth , as the age of the grace of God will only be temporary
what we need is philosopherz to just stop thinking what they know is enough to know. Sure they can ask questions, but other than that they really need a cup of stfoof up with a side of listen.
what we need is philosopherz to just stop thinking what they know is enough to know. Sure they can ask questions, but other than that they really need a cup of stfoof up with a side of listen.
What does philosophers or philosophy have to do with pantheism ?
I presented irrefutable evidence that unequivocally PROVES the GOD that I perceive (ALL THE MATTER/ENERGY THAT EXISTS AND HAS EXISTED) objectively exists.
You provided nothing whatsoever to refute or rebut it in any reasonable and credible way.
All you do is redact known, expert, FULL definitions...and add attributes that GOD does possess, but are not required to be GOD.
With regards to the subject of this thread , so what ? Not agreeing with your claim , but even if I did, so what ? I'm tired of yours and Mystics roundabout arguments over definitions, and have no desire to rehash that line of reasoning . What difference does accepting your definition make ? Did it change your life ? Did you give up the life of a porno king to become a different type of person because you changed from an atheist to a pantheist ?
How does your God matter ? What affect does it have in your life ? How does your believing alter anything about you for the better ?
With regards to the subject of this thread , so what ? Not agreeing with your claim , but even if I did, so what ? I'm tired of yours and Mystics roundabout arguments over definitions, and have no desire to rehash that line of reasoning . What difference does accepting your definition make ? Did it change your life ? Did you give up the life of a porno king to become a different type of person because you changed from an atheist to a pantheist ?
How does your God matter ? What affect does it have in your life ? How does your believing alter anything about you for the better ?
Well, for one...it got you to type out this whining complaint over and over again...which, every time, I read to my great amusement. Thank you for that.
On what authority do you demand that belief in any GOD must "do something for you, and make a difference in your life."? That's YOUR headtrip to reconcile...not mine.
BTW...I've never had the life of a "porno king"...I'm just a guy that happens to have picked that industry to do business in...among other endeavors.
What does philosophers or philosophy have to do with pantheism ?
philosophy will catorigze us with things like "materialist", "dualist", pluralist", and such then pigeon toe all our responses into that category. Missing the point that we describe what we don't know with what we do know. These philosophical labels are meaningless past a basic reference point. We describe what is going on around us first; not label what is going on then squeeze the observation into the limits of the label. "gray does that a lot. Philosophy has little business describing what is going on past coffee table nonsense.
Then they will FUNAR it. They always do.
On a "mechanical" level, pantheist is the most likely ending point. That being little pieces of the universe working together to make bigger pieces. Understanding, of course, there really is no "pieces" and only events.
the milli's and ex-fundies won't even look at it from that angle because that would force observations to counter the safety of their world view. And we can't have that, after all we have revenge on religion to think about. The milli and ex-fundy will not discuss any observation as "real" if those pesky "theist" can will get a hold of it. They are afraid. Until that fear is gone the truth will be hidden.
Same goes for the fundy/literalist theist. Clowns to the left and jokers to the right ... here we are ...
Well, for one...it got you to type out this whining complaint over and over again...which, every time, I read to my great amusement. Thank you for that.
On what authority do you demand that belief in any GOD must "do something for you, and make a difference in your life."? That's YOUR headtrip to reconcile...not mine.
BTW...I've never had the life of a "porno king"...I'm just a guy that happens to have picked that industry to do business in...among other endeavors.
In other words, your version of God does nothing in people's lives , changes no one, not even someone who exploited people as an atheist before turning to pantheism , and is essential irrelevant in spiritual terms .
I didn't expect you could do more than run your mouth once we got past your one dimensional parroting of Mystic , so you aren't a huge disappointment in your failure with regards to the topic of this thread . Even so, I really don't know why I even bothered with you , other than you were the first of your team to respond . I should have just waited for the teacher to show up. His student isn't really that capable .
In other words, your version of God does nothing in people's lives , changes no one, not even someone who exploited people as an atheist before turning to pantheism , and is essential irrelevant in spiritual terms .
I didn't expect you could do more than run your mouth once we got past your one dimensional parroting of Mystic , so you aren't a huge disappointment in your failure with regards to the topic of this thread . Even so, I really don't know why I even bothered with you , other than you were the first of your team to respond . I should have just waited for the teacher to show up. His student isn't really that capable .
Look...I perceive a God that objectively exists...and can be proven as such. Thus, God.
That renders Atheism null and void.
I will admit there are many things I am not capable of...proving the objective existence of GOD isn't one of those things.
For some reason...it is very obvious that bothers you. I hope you are able to reconcile that. Really, I do.
Hey...maybe you could try the Prayer Thread!
I presented irrefutable evidence that unequivocally PROVES the GOD that I perceive (ALL THE MATTER/ENERGY THAT EXISTS AND HAS EXISTED) objectively exists.
You provided nothing whatsoever to refute or rebut it in any reasonable and credible way.
All you do is redact known, expert, FULL definitions...and add attributes that GOD does possess, but are not required to be GOD.
You have said, and confirmed today that this has to be intelligent and forward -planning. Without that, 'nature' is the better term and the god -label is just misleading. Stop fiddling about and show that nature is Intelligent or stop trying to peddle us the god -label.
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With regards to the subject of this thread , so what ? Not agreeing with your claim , but even if I did, so what ? I'm tired of yours and Mystics roundabout arguments over definitions, and have no desire to rehash that line of reasoning . What difference does accepting your definition make ? Did it change your life ? Did you give up the life of a porno king to become a different type of person because you changed from an atheist to a pantheist ?
How does your God matter ? What affect does it have in your life ? How does your believing alter anything about you for the better ?
That of course is the question we never get to. Just as 'First cause' argument never get as far as 'well, so what if a god did make everything?' One of these days I will purport to be persuaded and then ask what I do about it. I suspect 'stop calling yourself an atheist' will be the least of it.
Damn...am I a prophet or not?
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Look...I perceive a God that objectively exists...and can be proven as such. Thus, God.
That renders Atheism null and void.
I will admit there are many things I am not capable of...proving the objective existence of GOD isn't one of those things.
For some reason...it is very obvious that bothers you. I hope you are able to reconcile that. Really, I do.
Hey...maybe you could try the Prayer Thread!
Thank you mate. Or I think so, for finally admitting that you cannot prove the objective existence of GOD. Don't feel bad. Nor can anyone else, nor indeed make a persuasive case.
So what about it? Stop telling us it is a fact that God exists because it is nature with smarts. It is your repeated insistence that this is a fact that keeps bothering us. If you admit that you have no decent case for Mystic's theory', then we are reconciled in spades, and no need for the prayer page.
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