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No man...be honest.
You say, "If you believe this, that's fine"...but you really don't mean that. You DON'T think "thats fine"...you think it's messed up. You can't stand it...it bothers you BIGTIME!
Which is even worse...that you try to pretend you are tolerant and accepting.
You are the same towards the Religious as some of more Fundamentalist genres of Religion are towards homosexuality. But try to front like you take the high road and are so tolerant....you are NOT.
The whole premise of this thread is to bash the Religious: Only ignorant morons would believe in Religion...is essentially your point.
The whole premise of this thread is exactly what the OP says . Would religion be conceived of in a modern scientific society that understand the natural forces once attributed to gods .
If you feel capable of discussing that subject then fine. If not, then I will understand why so many here repeatedly inform me that trying to have an honest discussion with you is a waste of time .
Once again you show that you fear taking my words at face value and discussing the topic honestly ....Have a nice day then
so....dissenting views not welcome
other views dismissed
other experiences dismissed
open a thread, ask some questions....people contribute some thoughtful, considered answers from a variety of different angles and view points... if they are not what the person wants to hear they are "not honest"
dissenting views not welcome
other views dismissed
other experiences dismissed
ask a question....people contribute some answers... if they are not what you want to hear they are "not honest"
Not at all . Albert and I discussed the topic just fine. You have spent the thread arguing against things I have not said, trying to attribute motives to me I do not have , and then get pizzed when I point out I didn't say what you argue against .
Dissenting views are welcome but would likely be rebutted, as that is what a discussion is about .
False claims about what I said not welcome, and pointed out ."Not honest" means I didn't say what you deliberately and deceitfully pretend I said.
2. since we are connected to the Divine, people become aware of this through personal experience, trial and error, asking questions, paying close attention to thoughts, feelings, beliefs, and daily life; seeking to find solutions and work through difficulties; and comparing notes with each other.
But let's get to he sexy part of religion:
Will people start believing in a heaven, hell and afterlife? Will people start believing that God came to earth, died for humanity's sins and gave everybody eternal life if only they believed?
This of course is the truth according to Christianity, the world's most popular religion today. So, it's interesting to wonder whether humans would arrive at this truth on their own from scratch in the absence of any knowledge about Christianity or any other religion.
I started this as a post in the " What if there were no Bible " thread , then decided I would rather have this out on its own as a separate thread . It is based on a remark or saying I read a year or so ago but cannot find who said it . It goes something to the effect of
If religion were erased from the memory of human history today , it is doubtful it would be created again because man has enough knowledge of the universe now it would not need to assign unknown things it didn't understand to invisible gods . If science were erased from the memory of human history today, it would surely be recreated because science is about understanding the universe around us and how it works , and the human mind would eventually figure it all out again back to the point we are today .
These are basic concepts in Mahayana Buddhism and Indian Jainism (and even Vedic Hinduism): that their religion is reborn as a natural consequence of gaining the true and proper knowledge that exists objectively as objective fact.
Religions are already forming around science (I've heard many Christians claim that their "wise" leaders have explained that "proper" science is a "gift" from Jesus). So I think if religions ended, psychologically (assuming religion is there to crutch and cover very real psychological needs in many people), religions would be recreated (thought they would be different where they psychologically could be).
he is just saying 'If they knew what we knew, would they have come up with an "omni-dude" type god. i don't think so they would have either.
what he is saying is that "if they knew what we know", before describing what they 'see", they may never have come up with an inviso-Omni-dude. some of them may very well have come up with "field of awareness". Some, probably more, would have come up with something else. Far less would come up with "nothing". "nothing" is as far from reality as "omi-dude". Like Omni-dude is today, "nothing" is a solution to fill a personal need.
There probably would be no 'atheist" because if they knew what we know there is no reason to draw a conclusion that has "theist type god" there for nothing to be a-theist about.
because there is more to our existence than "nature"
there is more to being human than the physical
and we know that at the core of our being
its not about inventing anything
it is about remembering where we come from and why we are here
I know at the core of my being the complete opposite:
There is more to our existence then "supernatural"
There is more to being human than the immaterial impermanent conscious
It is all about recognizing and understanding.
Not at all . Albert and I discussed the topic just fine. You have spent the thread arguing against things I have not said, trying to attribute motives to me I do not have , and then get pizzed when I point out I didn't say what you argue against .
Dissenting views are welcome but would likely be rebutted, as that is what a discussion is about .
False claims about what I said not welcome, and pointed out .
"rebutted" & "pointed out" = bash, mock, and criticize.
But, that figures...since that is why you, et al, are here. To bash, mock, and criticize Religion and the Religious.
You "set-up" the "dissenting views", so you can bash, mock, and criticize them.
That is the REAL reason for this thread...and most others on this board.
We finally have a bunch of members that are sick enough of it to call it out.
It's the whole MO of the "movement". Y'all even invent mock Deities like The Flying Spaghetti Monster to slam the concept of Religious Faith...and applaud some of the most obnoxious big-mouths like Hitchens when they spewed the most mean & hateful stuff they could think of. Not cool...not cool at all.
The whole premise of this thread is exactly what the OP says . Would religion be conceived of in a modern scientific society that understand the natural forces once attributed to gods .
You are a truly annoying poster. You give a name to what we have ample evidence DOES EXIST. Then you simply admit you do not KNOW what it is, but it is NOT God, and consider the issue closed. When others use the God name for what EXISTS (that you do not know what it is), you have the temerity and hubris to deny them any of the evidence about what you "do not know" and then ask for ANY evidence of EXISTENCE. If you were honest, you would abandon your claims about non-EXISTENCE and focus strictly on the attributes you find implausible in the religious nonsense.
"rebutted" & "pointed out" = bash, mock, and criticize.
But, that figures...since that is why you, et al, are here. To bash, mock, and criticize Religion and the Religious.
You "set-up" the "dissenting views", so you can bash, mock, and criticize them.
That is the REAL reason for this thread...and most others on this board.
We finally have a bunch of members that are sick enough of it to call it out.
It's the whole MO of the "movement". Y'all even invent mock Deities like The Flying Spaghetti Monster to slam the concept of Religious Faith...and applaud some of the most obnoxious big-mouths like Hitchens when they spewed the most mean & hateful stuff they could think of. Not cool...not cool at all.
That's nice .
Have a nice life
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