Ken Ham's Opening Day at the Ark. #FAIL only 4000 show up. (Baptists, baptize)

[cupper3]

If anyone is wondering how remote this really is, this screenshot of Google maps will tell you. There is literally nothing around it. Oh, except the Kentucky Cowtown.

[Rafius]

Originally Posted by jeffbase40

Your grand counter argument is that I'm wrong.

No. Not that you are wrong but that you are woefully wrong and that, as usual you prefer to remain wilfully ignorant. Your claim that diversity of languages is not understood is wrong and to say what you did displays an astonishing level of abject ignorance on the subject.

Oh you don't bother to explain how I'm wrong or given a single shred of supporting evidence to back up your statements.

I shouldn't need to. The very fact that you have enough intelligence to type should be telling you that you are wrong in claiming that language is not understood.

I'm just wrong because you say so.

No. You are wrong because you are simply wrong...and provably so. Would you like me to prove you wrong and expose you to be even more ignorant of the subject than people already perceive you to be?

I have no respect for that.

I do not require your 'respect'.

[geekigurl]

Originally Posted by cupper3

OK... you know the routine!

Send $$$ for that coffee that went through my nose and all over my keyboard.

This is the best I can do. <3

[cupper3]

Originally Posted by geekigurl

This is the best I can do. <3

Looks wonderful. I'll accept.

[Mr. In-Between]

Originally Posted by cupper3

If anyone is wondering how remote this really is, this screenshot of Google maps will tell you. There is literally nothing around it. Oh, except the Kentucky Cowtown.

It's really not as bad as you're making it out to be. There's a new barn just 5 or 6 miles from there that was built since that picture was taken, and the gas station 3 miles south just reopened as a convenience store. Things are happening so fast people thereabouts can scarcely keep up with them!

[_redbird_]

They just need to put up a few signs along the roadway. And have a coupon day. (Remember that line from the Jurassic Park movie.)

[Eusebius]

Originally Posted by mordant

Some YECs very much believe it's not just a young earth but a young universe. Or at the very least a young solar system. The Creationism Hall of Fame site for example was doing a running commentary of the Pluto flyby and the comet lander Philae before that, in which they were claiming that the data from these probes demonstrates that the comet, Pluto, and Oort Cloud objects are young and/or the organic molecules they bear came originally from Earth, ejected during the Flood cataclysm.* And they are clearly trying to get out in front of any life that might be discovered elsewhere in the solar system, by arguing that if such life exists, it originated on earth. They appear to be trying to preserve the uniqueness of life on Earth, which is a weird, quixotic battle for them to pick in my view, as nothing about life existing independently of Earth really contradicts scripture or undermines dogma.

But then it occurred to me: if life exists elsewhere in the universe then life on earth isn't special, humans aren't god's special snowflakes. And if life not only exists elsewhere but turns out to be ubiquitous, even if it's mostly low level single celled life, it make the scientific explanations for origins as well as the process of natural selection seem more likely to be true and reduces the need for special creation as an explanation for anything.

They also need NASA to be running some kind of elaborate conspiracy to deceive, because it flatters their persecution and repression narratives.

I appreciate the fact that the above is almost about Ken Ham's Opening Day at the Ark and truly, at least in spirit, tries to follow the request of Mensaguy to stay on topic (spoken tongue in cheek). I am a Creationist and an OLD EARTHER. Yet, when I give my reasons for why the earth could be billions of years old, I am put down by you folks. You see, you just can't win with you folks. I don't agree at all with Ken Ham's ideas of a young universe or young earth and don't think he should be teaching things like that as it hurts his other, better points. But this is how it is. We are all human and prone to err until Christ returns and sets everything straight again.

[mensaguy]

Originally Posted by Albert_The_Crocodile

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Well, you do if you want to prove your point.

Oh, and when you're coming up with your list, please don't move the goalposts. I didn't say "tourist attractions," I said "major tourist attractions." So the Louisville Slugger Museum wouldn't count.

You can wave the Kentucky pom-poms all you want, but this isn't the Kentucky forum, and the fact remains that there just isn't very much in this part of America that people find interesting enough to drive from all over the country to see. The closest real "destination" attraction is ma-a-a-aybe Daniel Boone National Forest, about 100 miles away, and even that's a stretch if you're talking about major attractions.

Northeastern Kentucky isn't the part of the country that most people drive to when they're going on vacation - it's the part they drive through, and the part of the state where the Ark is located isn't really on a route that leads to and from anything particularly exciting. In fact, Business Insider ranks Kentucky 33rd in terms of tourism, just a notch below Iowa - and West Virginia, just over the border, is ranked 51st. The fact is, there just isn't very much here that people want to come from far away to see, and if anyone thinks this thing is going to draw visitors on a par with Glacier National Park has to be delusional. In my opinion.

The Ark Encounter is 40 miles (about an hour) from the Great American Ballpark in Cincinnati. That means it is also within the vicinity of the Cincinnati Zoo and everything else in that city's downtown area. (Cincinnati is a big city. They have a lot of stuff. The music hall is great!) King's Island amusement park is another hour North.

[kab0906]

The biggest tourist attraction in Kentucky is Mammoth Cave, near Bowling Green. It's pretty neat. It's the largest cave system in the world. And it's nowhere near this monstrosity.

[Norne]

Originally Posted by Griffis

The fact is, there is no more reason for you or anyone else to make the claim that ONLY in the Judeo-Christian scriptures are the stories literally true (as opposed to allegorical/mythical) and the deity actually real than there is to say the same of the Greco-Roman gods and legends, the Norse gods, Hopi Indian myths, legends and gods from Hinduism, etc., etc. There simply isn't any reason other than you happen to believe in one and not the others. Had you been born on the Indian subcontinent you'd very likely be saying the same sorts of things you say about Yahweh and Jesus and the stories of the Bible, but you'd be saying them about Vishnu and the Baghavad-Gita.

Incidentally, the myths and legends of all these cultures, and more, are very interesting and often contain a lot of wisdom and beauty. The fact they (like so many Judeo-Christian stories) are myths doesn't make them any less "true" or important.

The only reason biblical stories seem more believable than the ancient Norse or Hopi myths is that there has been an army of professional theologians and priests that have been busy all through the ages explaining, reinventing, interpreting and teaching the "correct" understanding of these stories. Some of these teachings, for example the one about Satan being a fallen angel, really hang on one or two verses, out of which they have developed an entire doctrine.

I believe, if so many people in the course of centuries spent their time poring over the Norse myths, interpreting, spiritualizing them and smoothing out inconsistencies as much as possible, there would appear Norse literalists as well. Not that it would be a desirable outcome, of course.