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Old 01-27-2017, 12:37 AM
 
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It seems like the majority of world religions believe that for a lot of humans suffering awaits them after their death in their afterlife. Is it possible there is truth behind this belief?
Would you rather see Satan and his ilk be out of a job?
In case you didn't know...afterlife unemployment benefits are terrible! And you can only collect for 10 million years...what are they supposed to do for the rest of eternity?
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Old 01-27-2017, 12:58 AM
 
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I suggest you invest time understanding what clinically dead means.
He certainly need to do that by the look of it.
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Old 02-21-2017, 03:13 PM
 
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Ask the dead people, they're the only ones who might know. Everybody else is just guessing.
Jesus Christ spoke about the condition of the dead. He did so with regard to Lazarus, a man whom he knew well and who had died. Jesus told his disciples: “Lazarus our friend has gone to rest.” The disciples thought that Jesus meant that Lazarus was resting in sleep, recovering from an illness. They were wrong. Jesus explained: “Lazarus has died.” (John 11:11-14) Notice that Jesus compared death to rest and sleep. Lazarus was neither in heaven nor in a burning hell. He was not meeting angels or ancestors. Lazarus was not being reborn as another human. He was at rest in death, as though in a deep sleep without dreams. Other scriptures also compare death to sleep. For example, when the disciple Stephen was stoned to death, the Bible says that he “fell asleep.” (Acts 7:60) Similarly, the apostle Paul wrote about some in his day who had “fallen asleep” in death.


The Bible teaches that the dead “are conscious of nothing at all.” They are not alive and have no conscious existence anywhere. The account of Lazarus confirms this. Upon returning to life, did Lazarus thrill people with descriptions of heaven? Or did he terrify them with horrible tales about a burning hell? No. The Bible contains no such words from Lazarus. During the four days that he was dead, he had been “conscious of nothing at all.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5) Lazarus had simply been sleeping in death. John 11:11.
The account of Lazarus also teaches us that the resurrection is a reality, not a mere myth. Jesus raised Lazarus in front of a crowd of eyewitnesses. Even the religious leaders, who hated Jesus, did not deny this miracle.

Think about this too: If Lazarus had been in heaven for those four days, would he not have said something about it? And if he had been in heaven, would Jesus have made him come back to earth from that wonderful place? Of course not!

Yet, many people say that we have a soul, and they say that the soul lives on after the body dies. They say that Lazarus’ soul was alive somewhere. But the Bible does not say that. It says that God made the first man Adam “a living soul.” Gen. 2:7, Adam was a soul. The Bible also says that when Adam sinned, he died. He became a “dead soul,” and he returned to the dust from which he had been made. The Bible also says that all Adam’s offspring inherited sin and death too.

The Scriptural teaching of the resurrection, however, is not compatible with the doctrine of the immortality of the soul. If an immortal soul survived death, no one would need to be resurrected, or brought back to life. Indeed, Martha expressed no thought about an immortal soul that was living on elsewhere after death. She did not believe that Lazarus had already gone to some spirit realm to continue his existence. On the contrary, she showed her faith in God’s purpose to reverse the effects of death. She said: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” (John 11:23, 24) Likewise, Lazarus himself related no experiences of some afterlife. There was nothing to report.

Clearly, according to the Bible, the soul dies and the remedy for death is the resurrection. You enjoy the best sleep ever, until Jesus resurrects you, sometime in the future.
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Old 02-22-2017, 12:36 PM
 
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It's a hard one, but many NDE's show that the vast majority of humanity is burning in Hell in the Lake of Fire, the cries and moans from the billions of damned souls are deafening.
This is disgusting, which is why I am seriously considering becoming a Universalist.
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Old 02-22-2017, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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It's a hard one, but many NDE's show that the vast majority of humanity is burning in Hell in the Lake of Fire, the cries and moans from the billions of damned souls are deafening.
This is disgusting, which is why I am seriously considering becoming a Universalist.
This ridiculous belief is why I don't accept any biblical beliefs as viable or sane.
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:12 AM
 
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It's a hard one, but many NDE's show that the vast majority of humanity is burning in Hell in the Lake of Fire
No. No it does not. Nothing about NDE "shows" that at all.
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Old 02-23-2017, 06:33 AM
 
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Humans fear the unknown. Some more than others. It's probably in our DNA.

Hell is the "monster under the bed" for adults.
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Old 02-24-2017, 02:22 PM
 
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23hrs dead: She saw Famous People in Hell: Michael Jackson, Pope John Paul II, & others
January 29, 2011 By christ is coming 777 239 Comments


Extract from “Prepare to Meet Your God” NDE/vision by Angelica Elizabeth Zambrano Mora, 18 years old, Ecuador. She testifies of being taken in a NDE by the Lord Jesus to visit Hell & Heaven, of seeing famous people in Hell, the Glories of Heaven and visions of the rapture & End Times. There is a lot more to the vision than what is posted below, please read the full vision in context on this link – http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/P..._God/index.htm
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HELL
“At that moment, the Lord told me that there were many famous people in that place and also many people who had known about the Lord, and He said, “I am going to show you another part of the furnace.’ He took me to a place where I could observe a woman who was surrounded by flames, very much tormented and she would scream begging the Lord for mercy. He signaled to her with his hand and told me, ‘Daughter, that woman that you see over there, surrounded by flames, is Selena.’ The Lord told me that Selena was there and we started getting closer to her. She was screaming, ‘Lord, have mercy on me, forgive me Lord, take me out of this place!’ She was repenting at that moment and the Lord looked at her and He told her, ‘It’s late, it’s too late. You cannot repent now.’ She acknowledged me and turning to me , she said, ‘ Please, I ask you to go tell humanity about this, please speak out and do not be silent; go and tell them not to come to this place; go and tell them not to listen to my songs nor sing my songs!’ I asked her, ‘Why do you tell me this; why do you want me to go and say this?’ And she answered, ‘Because every time that they sing and listen to my songs, I am tormented even more and when I am tormented, the person who does this, who sings and listens to these songs that I used to sing when I was alive, is walking to this place. Please, go tell them not to come here; go tell them that hell is real!’ She would scream and demons would hurl spears from afar into her body and she would cry, ‘Help me, Lord, have mercy on me, Lord!’ And the Lord told her, ‘It is too late.’ I looked far away in that place full of singers and artists who have died and all they did was sing and sing- they wouldn’t stop singing. The Lord explained, ‘Daughter, the person who is here, must continue doing here, whatever she did on Earth, if she has not repented.’
Suddenly, I looked far away and I saw a great number of demons which were spilling a type of rain. I asked the Lord, ‘What is that which I am seeing?’ I thought it was truly raining, but I was watching people in flames running away from the rain and shouting, ‘No, help me, Lord!’ They could see the Lord from afar and would scream, ‘This can’t be, no!’ The demons were laughing and I asked again, ‘What’s happening?’ As I was watching, their flames would increase and their worms would multiply! There was no water there, it was brimstone which would multiply the flames and increase each person’s anguish, and the demons would laugh and tell them, ‘Praise and worship because this is your kingdom forever and ever!’ I asked the Lord, ‘Lord, what is this?’ The Lord replied, ‘This is the wages of anyone who has not repented.’
The Lord took me to place where there was a very well known man. Before, I used to live the life of a double minded young Christian girl and as such I thought that any person that died would go to live in heaven; that those who celebrated mass would also go to heaven, but I was wrong. When Pope John Paul II died, my friends and my cousins would tell me that he had gone to heaven. All the news on TV, on Extra and many other places would say, ‘Pope John Paul II has died, may he rest in peace. He is now rejoicing with the Lord and his angels in heaven’ and I believed all of it, but I was only fooling myself with what people were saying. When I suddenly saw this man who was being tormented by those flames and I looked at his face, it was John Paul II! The Lord said to me, ‘Look, Daughter, that man that you see there, is Pope John Paul II. He is here in this place; he is being tormented because he did not repent. And I asked, ‘Lord, why is he here? He used to preach at church.’ He replied, ‘Daughter, no fornicator, no idolater, no one who is greedy and no liar will inherit my Kingdom.’ To which I commented, ‘Yes, I know that is true, but I want to know why he is here, because he used to preach to multitudes of people!’ And He responded, ‘Yes, Daughter, he may have said many things, but he would never speak the truth as it is. He never said the truth and they know the truth and although he knew the truth, he preferred money over preaching about salvation. He would not offer reality; would not say that hell is real and that heaven also exists; Daughter, now he is here in this place.’ When I looked at this man, he had a very large, scaly serpent with needles wrapped around his throat and he would try to take it off, so I said to the Lord, ‘Lord, help him!’ He would also say, ‘Help me, Lord; have mercy on me; take me out of this place; forgive me! I repent, Lord; I want to return to Earth, I want to go back to Earth to repent.’ The Lord observed him and said to him, ‘You very well knew; you knew very well that this place was real,’ and then the Lord said: ‘It’s too late; there is no other opportunity for you.’ Then the Lord said to me, ‘Look, Daughter, I am going to show you the life of this man.’ And He began showing me a huge screen on which I could observe how this man offered mass many times to the multitudes and how the people who were there were so idolatrous. The Lord said to me, ‘Look, Daughter, there are many idolaters in this place. Idolatry will not save, Daughter. I am the only One who saves and outside of me no one saves. I love the sinner but I hate sin, Daughter. Go and tell humanity that I love them and that they need to come to me.’ As the Lord was speaking to me these words, I began to see how he received multitudes of coins, bills- and it was all money, all of which he would keep, so he had much money. I saw him seated on a throne and I was able to see beyond that and while it’s true that they will not marry , I can assure you – I did not invent this, the Lord showed it to me- those people will cohabit with nuns there; with many women there! The Lord showed me these people living in fornication and the Word says that no fornicator will inherit His Kingdom. As I was watching all of this, the Lord told me, ‘Look Daughter, all of this which I am showing you is what goes on, what he lived and what keeps on happening among many people, among many priests and popes existing.’ Then he told me, ‘Daughter, go and tell humanity that it’s time to turn to me.’
He took me to another place where He began to tell me about many people that were walking to this place, to hell. I asked Him, ‘Lord, how is it that they walk to this place?’ He replied, ‘I will show you.’ He started to show me a tunnel. Many people were walking through it, chained from their hands to their feet. They were carrying a load on their back and they were dressed in black and He said to me, ‘Look Daughter, those people that you see there, those people don’t know me yet. That which they carry on their backs is sin, but go and tell them to turn their burden over to me and I will give them rest; that I am He who forgives all their sins.’ He added,’ Daughter, go and tell those people to come to me for I await them with open arms and go tell them that they are walking to this place.’ As I was watching the many people walking , I told the Lord, ‘ Lord, that person over there is my cousin; that young man is my cousin, Lord, and that young girl coming down is also my cousin; my family is coming to this place!’ He replied, ‘Daughter, they are walking to this place, but go and them where they are walking, go and tell them they are walking to hell. Go and tell them that I have chosen you as my watchman.’ I asked Him, ‘Lord, what is that?’ He answered, “I have chosen you as my watchman, for it means that you are to tell the truth. You must go and tell all that I have shown you. If you do not speak out and something happens to that person, his blood will be poured over you, but if you go and do as I have told you, then that person has an account with me. If the person does not repent, then the responsibility resting upon you will be lifted, for the account will rest upon that person and his blood will not be poured over you.’
He then told me that many famous people were walking to that place, famous and important people. Take for example, Michael Jackson. This man was a famous man, a man known the world over but this man was a Satanist, although many may not see it that way, but it is the truth. This man had satanic covenants: He would come to agreements with the devil in order to achieve fame and attract many fans. Those steps that he performed, let me tell you, that’s the way demons walk while tormenting people in hell. There’s one step that the demons dance, sliding back and not moving forward. That’s how they dance in hell while they shout; enjoying the anguish they impose upon those people. Let me tell you that Michael Jackson is in hell. Why? Because the Lord let me see him. This was not during the time that I remained dead. The Lord showed this to me after he died. He let me see Michael Jackson tormented in flames and I cried. Why? I cried because it’s not easy to see how this man was being tormented and how he would scream. And anyone who listens to Michael Jackson’s songs, who sings Michael Jackson’s songs and who is a fan of Michael Jackson, let me tell you that Satan is trapping you in his web so that you will end up in hell. Right now, renounce to that in the name of Jesus! He wants to set you free so that you are not lost.
Then the Lord told me, ‘Daughter, there are also people who know me and are walking to this place.’ I asked, ‘Lord, how can people who know you come to this place?’ He replied, ‘That person who has become estranged from my ways and that person who is living a double life.’ And I said, ‘Lord, how is this?’ And He started showing me people who were walking to this place. They were tied from their hands to their feet and they each wore a garment, but their garment was different; it was not black, it was white, but it was torn, stained and wrinkled. And the Lord told me, ‘Daughter, see how my people has walked away from me, but Daughter, I want to tell you that I am not coming for this people. I am coming for a holy people, ready, without blemish and without wrinkle and without defilement.’ And He added, ‘Go and tell them to return to the old paths.’ Than I started to see many of my uncles and many people who had walked away from the Lord’s ways. And the Lord said to me, ‘Go and tell them that I am waiting for them, to surrender their loads to me and I will give them rest.’ He was weeping as he said, ‘Daughter, they are coming this way. Go and tell your uncles; go and tell your relatives that they are coming this way! Daughter, many will not believe you, but I am your faithful witness, I am your faithful witness. I will never leave you and even if they do not believe you, Daughter, go and tell them the truth, for I am with you. I will also show you, Daughter, how people arrive at this place.’ And He took me to a tunnel where there were thousands of people falling into the abyss. They weren’t a thousand or two thousand; they were as many as the sand at the sea, countless- they were falling by the second! They were falling like fistfuls of sand thrown down. The souls were falling rapidly and the Lord was weeping sadly when He told me, ‘Daughter, this is how humanity perishes; this is how it is lost! And He would weep and say, ‘Daughter, it hurts me to see how humanity perishes.’

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No. No it does not. Nothing about NDE "shows" that at all.
This is what I am talking about.
Whilst I find it vile and disgusting, this is what has been revealed.
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Old 02-24-2017, 03:34 PM
 
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Humans fear the unknown. Some more than others. It's probably in our DNA.

Hell is the "monster under the bed" for adults.
can you think of another way to control the herd?

what we wish for and what we have are a little different.
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Old 02-25-2017, 11:19 PM
 
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This is what I am talking about.
Whilst I find it vile and disgusting, this is what has been revealed.
Yet the people in such anecdotes did NOT die. Certainly not for 23 hours. They were close to death, and people have experiences close to death. But that does not in any way mean they have experienced something AFTER death.
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