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No, I am not sending mixed signals. You are not bothering to read.
And I didn't say anything about how life began.
Ok then. Would you mind clarifying your stance?
Did god do it (creation plus directing evolution) or was it natural selection or is there some other factor playing a role?
I have been saying all along that no one knows how or why life evolved. So I did "try it." Ask Dawkins or Coyne if they know all about how life evolved -- do they know what they don't know?
Isn't that what I have been saying? Or do you just write, and never read? How can you argue against what I am saying if you don't read what I write?
When you have nothing intelligent to say, call other people dumb.
listen mixer, just tell us what your stance is. omni god or no omni god. or in-between.
lmao, when I have to explain over and over where you are wrong, I tend to start calling you .... whatever.
I said, several times so far, that natural selection has been observed, and it is a fact. I also said that evolution is a fact.
There is no reason to think that natural selection caused life to evolve. It is a logical mistake to think so.
Natural selection selects among options already available to the species. Mostly, it weeds out defective individuals.
And we now know that Lamarckian inheritance does happen, although the extent is not yet known. Therefore we already know that factors other than natural selection are involved.
However, the main point is that, according to systems theory, natural systems evolve towards greater complexity. That is an observation, not an explanation. No one has explained evolution.
Yes there are biologists who believe they are gods and can understand life. But there are others who can acknowledge the limits of human understanding.
Ok then. Would you mind clarifying your stance?
Did god do it (creation plus directing evolution) or was it natural selection or is there some other factor playing a role?
I said, multiple times, that no one knows how or why life evolved.
No, I am not sending mixed signals. You are not bothering to read.
And I didn't say anything about how life began.
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Originally Posted by Good4Nothin
I said, several times so far, that natural selection has been observed, and it is a fact. I also said that evolution is a fact.
There is no reason to think that natural selection caused life to evolve. It is a logical mistake to think so.
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Ummm ..... ?
It's not that I didn't bother to read - it's just that you did say something about how life began.
"There is no reason to think that natural selection caused life to evolve. It is a logical mistake to think so."
Did I misunderstand you there?
Contrast that statement with;
"I said, several times so far, that natural selection has been observed, and it is a fact. I also said that evolution is a fact."
So you are saying evolution is a fact but natural selection did not cause life to evolve. Am I not being reasonable in interpreting that to mean 'life beginning'?
It's not that I didn't bother to read - it's just that you did say something about how life began.
"There is no reason to think that natural selection caused life to evolve. It is a logical mistake to think so."
Did I misunderstand you there?
Contrast that statement with;
"I said, several times so far, that natural selection has been observed, and it is a fact. I also said that evolution is a fact."
So you are saying evolution is a fact but natural selection did not cause life to evolve. Am I not being reasonable in interpreting that to mean 'life beginning'?
I said "caused life to evolve." I did not say "caused life to begin." I don't see why it matters anyway.
Evolution is a fact.
Natural selection is a fact.
We have no reason to think natural selection caused evolution.
I said "caused life to evolve." I did not say "caused life to begin." I don't see why it matters anyway.
Evolution is a fact.
Natural selection is a fact.
We have no reason to think natural selection caused evolution.
Ok so I am misunderstanding you. You accept evolution. You accept natural selection. But you don't accept natural selection as having caused evolution. Are you suggesting that god caused evolution? Where does natural selection fit in?
If something is an observed fact, then that something must have caused life to evolve???
but you said ...
"natural selection does not cause life to evolve."
maybe you put the word "not" in there by accident?
or, like I said before, the words "natural selection" is a word that is more of a unifying theory, like plate tectonics". to explain many interactions in two easy words?
Plate tectonics don't cause earthquakes. Radio isotopes and pressure cause heat, then convection cells, then move the plates. When the plate hit, bump, or rub against each other that's the earthquake?
do you mean ... natural selection does not "cause mutations". The nature of DNA, protein concentration variations, and surrounding environment stressors cause the changes. we call all of that "natural selection"?
It is confusing. I think OP may be looking for some directed motive force. He may also be trying to draw a (non-existent) distinction between micro- and macro- evolution.
It may also be that OP just wants to argue and doesn't have a developed thought on the matter.
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