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Old 07-04-2017, 09:10 PM
 
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I think the central question regarding religion, in these modern times, is:
Does matter create mind, or does mind create matter?
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Where there is a mind there is intelligence. Where there is intelligence there is a person. Where there is a person there is a personality. In Scripture that person is: God. So, that means the intelligent mind of God created matter.- Psalm 104:30
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Old 07-05-2017, 01:54 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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The mainstream scientific establishment is organized. It includes Wikipedia, Facebook, and Google. Also the New England Skeptics Society and its blog Science Based Medicine.
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Facebook is a scientific establishment?
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:51 AM
 
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Where there is a mind there is intelligence. Where there is intelligence there is a person. Where there is a person there is a personality. In Scripture that person is: God. So, that means the intelligent mind of God created matter.- Psalm 104:30
To me, its more like walking. did walking make the legs? Do legs "make" the walking?

legs walk.
everything is a verb, everything is 'doing something' ... everything-ing.

the universe is universing ... many religious people don't understand that notion and misrepresent what they feel as a god thingie. What they are connected to is real enough, its just they have little understanding of what it is.

toss in personal emotional needs and "poof", the pooch is screwed.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:29 AM
 
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Where there is a mind there is intelligence. Where there is intelligence there is a person. Where there is a person there is a personality. In Scripture that person is: God. So, that means the intelligent mind of God created matter.- Psalm 104:30
Thousands of Species have minds, many of those we should consider intelligent. I doubt that either ravens or chimps are considered persons. As far as amount of intelligence I truly would be surprised if a raven was not more intelligent than my 19 year old nice and she is a person. That is not a knock on my neice, she got a brain disease as a three day old. And there is a big jump in logic from your intelligence is a person therefore God created the universe. Perhaps he exists and did so however your statement still is not logical.
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Old 07-05-2017, 09:05 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Facebook is a scientific establishment?
Hadn't you heard? Atheists control all information through their grip on the global science establishment. We coerce them from here to Japan with dire threats of loss of pay and position if there even hint that the atheist religion of Darwinism is wrong and that the only Truth is to be found in scripture, as cherry picked to fit their Faith -inspired True Knowledge' by people like Matthew here.
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Old 07-05-2017, 10:08 AM
 
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Hadn't you heard? Atheists control all information through their grip on the global science establishment. We coerce them from here to Japan with dire threats of loss of pay and position if there even hint that the atheist religion of Darwinism is wrong and that the only Truth is to be found in scripture, as cherry picked to fit their Faith -inspired True Knowledge' by people like Matthew here.
the atheist religion has just as many flaws as the theists religion. They have in their ranks those that need to be right above being truthful and have an inner urge to stomp people that don't think like them.

fundamentalist atheist or Millamentalist atheist. same thing.

"we are not after your type" is how they start. Then, like castro, lenin, hitler, and so many others, they won't stop either. Until their "belief statement", like shia law, determines the rules for everybody.
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Old 07-05-2017, 10:23 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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It must be hell to be confined in a tiny mindset that obsesses with shoehorning everything it comes across into into a small ossified mental box of bigoted anti- liberal bias.
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Old 07-05-2017, 11:17 AM
 
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Facebook is a scientific establishment?
No, obviously I didn't mean that. Facebook promotes the mainstream scientific establishment. This is not a secret.
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Old 07-05-2017, 11:19 AM
 
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the atheist religion has just as many flaws as the theists religion. They have in their ranks those that need to be right above being truthful and have an inner urge to stomp people that don't think like them.

fundamentalist atheist or Millamentalist atheist. same thing.

"we are not after your type" is how they start. Then, like castro, lenin, hitler, and so many others, they won't stop either. Until their "belief statement", like shia law, determines the rules for everybody.
That is true. I have spent enough time at their blogs to know what they think. They are fighting a war against "superstition."

They are not evil -- they are trying to save the world from the violence and bigotry that (they think) religion inspires.
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Old 07-05-2017, 11:21 AM
 
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Thousands of Species have minds, many of those we should consider intelligent. I doubt that either ravens or chimps are considered persons. As far as amount of intelligence I truly would be surprised if a raven was not more intelligent than my 19 year old nice and she is a person. That is not a knock on my neice, she got a brain disease as a three day old. And there is a big jump in logic from your intelligence is a person therefore God created the universe. Perhaps he exists and did so however your statement still is not logical.
A raven is not a human being, if by "person" you mean human being. But a raven, and many other animals, can certainly have a personality.
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