Judaism or Christinity... (Baptist, Holy Spirit, gospels, quote)
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I think Christianity is G--d's way of testing people to see if they will actually do deep research to find the truth rather than rely on opinion or feelings...
I think Christianity is G--d's way of testing people to see if they will actually do deep research to find the truth rather than rely on opinion or feelings...
Wouldn't he know beforehand? This is a test...this is only a test...in the event of an actual...
That could be if you thought God tested people, tricked people, purposely thought in
these convoluted ways.
As if He Who is beyond imagination in His Infinite Brilliance, Glory, Genius...would
play silly games... this reminds me of the early thoughts of Men, more...and how he viewed and blamed God for most everything.
I think Christianity is G--d's way of testing people to see if they will actually do deep research to find the truth rather than rely on opinion or feelings...
And I think you have the righteousness of the pharisees.
And I think you have the righteousness of the pharisees.
The Pharisees actually were pretty righteous as people go. They have a very bad rap over the centuries, in my view, mainly because of the deliberate Christian smear -campaign in the Gospels.
Jesus was (I would bet good money) a devout Pharisee himself.
The Pharisees actually were pretty righteous as people go. They have a very bad rap over the centuries, in my view, mainly because of the deliberate Christian smear -campaign in the Gospels.
Jesus was (I would bet good money) a devout Pharisee himself.
Jesus said that unless our righteousness surpasses their righteousness.....we can't get to Heaven. As good and devout as they were, they were not righteous enough to get to Heaven.
The Pharisees actually were pretty righteous as people go. They have a very bad rap over the centuries, in my view, mainly because of the deliberate Christian smear -campaign in the Gospels.
Jesus was (I would bet good money) a devout Pharisee himself.
Not an original thought. Often an ex-Something is the biggest critic of the Somethings.
"Pharisee" has wrongly become a synonym for "hypocrite". They were devout Jews, studying the law constantly, and left as a heritage much of what Judaism is today. Jesus's point, IMO, was that you can study till the cows come home but if the law of compassion doesn't sit on top of the knowledge, it will be for nought.
Jesus was a Jew, but so much more. With Christianity, you get Judaism and the "next stage"; the continuing story. The other factor is the vengeful father (God) in Judaism, in contrast to the more understanding father (God), forgiving savior (Jesus), and helpful friend (the Holy Spirit) of the later way. Christianity features the more complete triune God, not just the father.
It's really a huge unfolding story. Judaism seems be about willingly stopping and not wanting to read on and move forward. I'm sure they see it differently though...
Jesus said that unless our righteousness surpasses their righteousness.....we can't get to Heaven. As good and devout as they were, they were not righteous enough to get to Heaven.
As you may know I don't believe a single "Jesus said" is what he actually did say. As Pharisees, they would not expect to 'get to heaven', but would be raised from the dead at the last Days (which if you read the NT with that in mind, is what is often being talked about) and would not be 'thrown into the fire' (metaphorically) when the messiah came.
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Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801
Not an original thought. Often an ex-Something is the biggest critic of the Somethings.
"Pharisee" has wrongly become a synonym for "hypocrite". They were devout Jews, studying the law constantly, and left as a heritage much of what Judaism is today. Jesus's point, IMO, was that you can study till the cows come home but if the law of compassion doesn't sit on top of the knowledge, it will be for nought.
O don't claim the idea as original. Just that a lot of people don't seem to have heard it. No matter whether those who first realized were "Ex" anything or not, it is still a valid observation.
Broadly I agree with you. compassion (an instinct rather than a law) is as important as learning, if not more. But learning has its' place too. The point really is that the Pharisees were not as bad as the gospels paint them, and Christianity -then or now- is in no position to denounce them as they actually were - other than they were not Christians.
Christianity has a few timber beams to remove before they start casting stones at the Jews.
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