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Old 01-23-2018, 10:55 AM
 
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Muslims believe that Muhammad traveled to heaven
On his journey he took a horse named Buraq

On his journey, he got meetings and negotiations with God
Especially in the issue of Islamic prayer
Where he received from God on that journey and after the negotiations that Muslims have only five prayers
And important
That God did not have another means in that era to have only owned the horse
While man evolved and was able to penetrate the airspace to the ground by ballistics and vehicles
Can we believe that myth?
And how Muslims believe in it

They pride themselves on the shining horse and its leader Muhammad and the negotiations of prayer with God

This question is to the minds of Muslims and away from fanaticism because this is what Muslims believe in
Is there a scientific answer to the fact of the horse shining

 
Old 01-23-2018, 11:06 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Since you are posting in the genral area and not confining it to Islam forum, I'll answer from the unbeliever point of view.

If a god can work miracles, he'll make it happen. The exact nature of the miracle doesn't matter. A god can put the convincing image in a man's mind, so something contrary to natural law can happen, and leave no physical traces of it.

So perhaps it doesn't even matter that the on all physics and evidence a man cannot fly to heaven on a winged horse any more than the moon can (or did) split. That a god cause men to believe it is all that is necessary.

So perhaps the actual question is: not what miracles a god may perform, but which god is it? Or rather, which is the way the one god wants us to worship? Or doesn't it mind?

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Old 01-23-2018, 11:19 AM
 
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Since you are posting in the genral area and not confining ot to Islam forum, I'll answer from the unbeleiver point of view.

If a god can work miracles, he'll make it happen. The exact nature of the miracle doesn't matter. A god can put the convincing image in a man's mind, so something contrary to natural law can happen, and leave no physicl traces of it.

So perhaps it doesn't even matter that the on all physics and evidence a man cannot fly to heaven on a winged horse any more than the can (or did) split. That a god cause men to beleive it is all that is necessary.

So perhaps the actual question is: not what miracles a god may perform, but which god is it? Or rather, which is the way the one god wants us to worship? Or doesn't it mind?
Does God tell us to believe in lying? And the myth
Note that the origin of Isra and Maraj is one of the ancient Persian religions
One of the followers of Muhammad and called Salman al-Farsi knew this
It is a myth that Muhammad traveled to the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem
While the Islamic mosque did not appear until after the Islamic occupation of Jerusalem
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On this solemn journey, the Prophet ascended into heaven one by one

And he ordered his mother to pray but it was not five prayers as we say today, but it was fifty prayers that every Muslim must perform every day and night .. The Prophet returned carrying this great gift and passed by the Prophet Moses asked our Prophet, saying: What God imposed you on your nation? The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, "Fifty prayers." The Prophet said, "Moses": Your nation can not bear that. He told our prophet that God had imposed much less on his people than the children of Israel, so they kept his deeds and asked him to return to his Lord. The Prophet said to him: "O my Lord, relieve my nation." God eased five prayers from the 50s. The Prophet returned to Moses and said to him: "He has God told me five, said to him, "Moses": Your nation can not afford it, return to your Lord Vassl mitigation, the Prophet continued to hesitate between the Lord of Glory and "Moses" until God told his prophet: "O" Muhammad ", they are five Watt every day and night,
Biography of the Prophet
 
Old 01-23-2018, 11:36 AM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by mahasn sawresho View Post
Muslims believe that Muhammad traveled to heaven
On his journey he took a horse named Buraq

On his journey, he got meetings and negotiations with God
Especially in the issue of Islamic prayer
Where he received from God on that journey and after the negotiations that Muslims have only five prayers
And important
That God did not have another means in that era to have only owned the horse
While man evolved and was able to penetrate the airspace to the ground by ballistics and vehicles
Can we believe that myth?
And how Muslims believe in it

They pride themselves on the shining horse and its leader Muhammad and the negotiations of prayer with God

This question is to the minds of Muslims and away from fanaticism because this is what Muslims believe in
Is there a scientific answer to the fact of the horse shining
The fact that Buraq means lightning may have something to do with the flying beast (not a horse) being depicted as shining. Not a scientific answer I am afraid. Science and imagination are two very separate endeavors.
 
Old 01-23-2018, 08:14 PM
 
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Originally Posted by mahasn sawresho View Post
Muslims believe that Muhammad traveled to heaven
On his journey he took a horse named Buraq

On his journey, he got meetings and negotiations with God
Especially in the issue of Islamic prayer
Where he received from God on that journey and after the negotiations that Muslims have only five prayers
And important
That God did not have another means in that era to have only owned the horse
While man evolved and was able to penetrate the airspace to the ground by ballistics and vehicles
Can we believe that myth?
And how Muslims believe in it

They pride themselves on the shining horse and its leader Muhammad and the negotiations of prayer with God

This question is to the minds of Muslims and away from fanaticism because this is what Muslims believe in
Is there a scientific answer to the fact of the horse shining
Makes as much sense as most of the stories In the Bible.
 
Old 01-23-2018, 09:39 PM
 
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The fact that Buraq means lightning may have something to do with the flying beast (not a horse) being depicted as shining. Not a scientific answer I am afraid. Science and imagination are two very separate endeavors.
Do you want to develop Buraq until it suits the times
And repeal all historical interpretations
And throw them in the trash
I think it's kind of a detour
Buraq is an animal between a horse and a mule
If the vessel was a space ship, the ancient Muslims would have declared it a victory
But superstition can not jump over reality at that time
I wonder how Muslims are proud of that myth
Strangely enough, one of the five pillars of Islam, the five prayers, was legislated on that journey after negotiations between Muhammad and God
The Muslim mind must move his mind until he knows it is a great lie and lie from Muhammad and his followers
 
Old 01-23-2018, 10:36 PM
 
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Originally Posted by mahasn sawresho View Post
Muslims believe that Muhammad traveled to heaven
On his journey he took a horse named Buraq

On his journey, he got meetings and negotiations with God
Especially in the issue of Islamic prayer
Where he received from God on that journey and after the negotiations that Muslims have only five prayers
And important
That God did not have another means in that era to have only owned the horse
While man evolved and was able to penetrate the airspace to the ground by ballistics and vehicles
Can we believe that myth?
And how Muslims believe in it

They pride themselves on the shining horse and its leader Muhammad and the negotiations of prayer with God

This question is to the minds of Muslims and away from fanaticism because this is what Muslims believe in
Is there a scientific answer to the fact of the horse shining

lol @ "scientific answer".

If God can refrain YOU from having any sex in heaven, then what else cannot not be done by God?
Do you have a scientific answer that there won't be any sex for you in heaven?

If not, then don't worry about finding scientific answers about Buraq or the Birth of Jesus without father or the entire resurrection episode.
 
Old 01-23-2018, 11:19 PM
 
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lol @ "scientific answer".

If God can refrain YOU from having any sex in heaven, then what else cannot not be done by God?
Do you have a scientific answer that there won't be any sex for you in heaven?

If not, then don't worry about finding scientific answers about Buraq or the Birth of Jesus without father or the entire resurrection episode.
In the subject of the animal shining, the science proved that it has better means than the brilliant bird to penetrate the space
But science was unable to prove anything about the spirit in man and its source
Everything science has reached theories
I told you that sex is a common animal instinct between man and animal
If you think the animal is equal to man, why do not you have sex with him on the ground?
This creates a sophisticated race of human and animal mixture as well
 
Old 01-24-2018, 12:47 AM
 
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In the subject of the animal shining, the science proved that it has better means than the brilliant bird to penetrate the space
But science was unable to prove anything about the spirit in man and its source
Everything science has reached theories
I told you that sex is a common animal instinct between man and animal
If you think the animal is equal to man, why do not you have sex with him on the ground?
This creates a sophisticated race of human and animal mixture as well
But there are animals in heaven too. No?
 
Old 01-24-2018, 02:34 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Originally Posted by mahasn sawresho View Post
Does God tell us to believe in lying? And the myth
Note that the origin of Isra and Maraj is one of the ancient Persian religions
One of the followers of Muhammad and called Salman al-Farsi knew this
It is a myth that Muhammad traveled to the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem
While the Islamic mosque did not appear until after the Islamic occupation of Jerusalem
-----------------
On this solemn journey, the Prophet ascended into heaven one by one

And he ordered his mother to pray but it was not five prayers as we say today, but it was fifty prayers that every Muslim must perform every day and night .. The Prophet returned carrying this great gift and passed by the Prophet Moses asked our Prophet, saying: What God imposed you on your nation? The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, "Fifty prayers." The Prophet said, "Moses": Your nation can not bear that. He told our prophet that God had imposed much less on his people than the children of Israel, so they kept his deeds and asked him to return to his Lord. The Prophet said to him: "O my Lord, relieve my nation." God eased five prayers from the 50s. The Prophet returned to Moses and said to him: "He has God told me five, said to him, "Moses": Your nation can not afford it, return to your Lord Vassl mitigation, the Prophet continued to hesitate between the Lord of Glory and "Moses" until God told his prophet: "O" Muhammad ", they are five Watt every day and night,
Biography of the Prophet
Not if you don't want to. If a god can work a miracle, it can be a solid miracle. Not an illusion.

But the problem there is with the split moon. That surely did not happen as a discussion not too long ago pointed up. Somebody would have noticed. Therefore, for that one (if not the flying horse) it either has to be an illusion or it isn't true. Up to you.

I'll just remark that in that discussion ("Unquestionable evidences" ) the observation of the sun sinking into a swamp showed that it was an observation from the limited knowledge of men, not the unlimited knowledge of a god.

So I'm trying to help you out, but demanding of us whether we think a god can lie is only going to elicit the answer:

No, but men can.
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