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Old 03-12-2018, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Stockton, Ca
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The Father is not revealed in the OT. "Lord" in the Torah/Tanak is Yeshua. When Yeshua came, he then revealed, and prayed to , the Father. Yeshua "fullfilled" scripture, by showing He was the prophesied Messiah. The Bereans understood this, those from Thessaloniaca did not ( see Acts 17)
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Old 03-12-2018, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Stockton, Ca
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The Father is the Son, and the Son is the Father.

So both are nether Father or Son, and both are the Father and the Son. Simple!
Yeshua is seated at the right hand of the Father. This proves that both are not the same. Yeshua prayed to the Father. He did not pray to Himself.
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Old 03-12-2018, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Where DO they come from?
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Old 03-12-2018, 03:10 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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The Father is not revealed in the OT. "Lord" in the Torah/Tanak is Yeshua. When Yeshua came, he then revealed, and prayed to , the Father. Yeshua "fullfilled" scripture, by showing He was the prophesied Messiah. The Bereans understood this, those from Thessaloniaca did not ( see Acts 17)
Well, the point is on topic, but it still looks to me like it is a Theological (scriptural interpretation) debate and more appropriate to Christianity. it is an argument not about religion but within a religion.
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Old 03-12-2018, 04:30 PM
 
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The Father is not revealed in the OT. "Lord" in the Torah/Tanak is Yeshua. When Yeshua came, he then revealed, and prayed to , the Father. Yeshua "fullfilled" scripture, by showing He was the prophesied Messiah. The Bereans understood this, those from Thessaloniaca did not ( see Acts 17)
I find in the King James version at Psalm 83:18 the Father is revealed in the Tetragrammaton (YHWH)

At Acts 17:31 I find two (2) persons are mentioned:
God is the ' he ' by whom ' he '(God) has ordained or appointed the one ' he ' raised (resurrected) from the dead (Jesus).

The resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him according to Revelation 3:12.
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Old 03-12-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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Where DO they come from?
Besides God who resides in heaven ( 1st Kings 8:39,49 ) His first heavenly creation ( Revelation 3:12) ' the pre-human Jesus ' was the beginning of the heavenly creation by God before God sent the heavenly Jesus to Earth for us.
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Old 03-12-2018, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Besides God who resides in heaven ( 1st Kings 8:39,49 ) His first heavenly creation ( Revelation 3:12) ' the pre-human Jesus ' was the beginning of the heavenly creation by God before God sent the heavenly Jesus to Earth for us.
Not what I was talking about Matt. Hey Trans, how can I convince you to let him stay over here??
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Old 03-12-2018, 10:34 PM
 
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You don't need to convince me; if the mods don't move him...he stays.
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Old 03-13-2018, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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You don't need to convince me; if the mods don't move him...he stays.
Sorry, just my feeble attempt at humor....think about it.
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Old 03-13-2018, 03:25 PM
 
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People who are indifferent don't spend their time reading and posting about a purported and unvalidated diety.
People don't demand that the words of Yoda be made into laws and require the right to discriminate based on something they read in Harry Potter. If they did you would see plenty of people posting about it.

If you didn't expect your belief in a sky daddy to directly impact my rights and how I am able to live my life, I would happily leave you to your hallucinatory rantings and ravings without commentary.
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