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Old 03-15-2018, 06:56 AM
 
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He's a believer now.
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Old 03-15-2018, 07:06 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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He's a believer now.
You mean he repented on his deathbed?
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Old 03-15-2018, 07:09 AM
 
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He's a believer now.
His work will live on and inspire others. I am sure he always believed in his abilities, his theories, and the science behind them, even in death. God has no problem with Atheists,

He was able to accomplish because people cared for him. They bathed, and dressed and met his physical needs. I consider those people real heroes.
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Old 03-15-2018, 07:17 AM
 
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You mean he repented on his deathbed?
I mean he knows there is a God, if he didn't do so prior to death. He now knows.
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Old 03-15-2018, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
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I mean he knows there is a God, if he didn't do so prior to death. He now knows.
How's that again? Death = absence of life = no more knowing! Very simple really!
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Old 03-15-2018, 07:32 AM
 
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I mean he knows there is a God, if he didn't do so prior to death. He now knows.
So, fill out the story about what you think he knows. Let us make this interesting. I will start you off.


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Old 03-15-2018, 07:38 AM
 
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How's that again? Death = absence of life = no more knowing! Very simple really!
The moment he died he was confronted by God. IF he knew Jesus, he was welcomed into his arms for eternity. I hope he did, seriously. But nothing I have read indicates he had any kind of faith. If not, then he was punished for his sin.
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Old 03-15-2018, 08:02 AM
 
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What John lennox was illustrating how half baked Hawkins worldview was once he stepped away from his science and into theology and philosophy.
Lennox did not write that article. Nor was there anything in that article that could be described as half baked.

If you are referring to the "Atheism is a fantasy for people who are afraid of the light" quote, I can immediately see problems with it. Hawkins argument was based on evidence that people are afraid of dying. Lennox's response, while clever, ignores the evidence. We're not afraid of gods, we don't believe in them.

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He lacked God given common sense.
Considering the frequent failures of 'common sense', that must make your god rather inept. Fortunately man invented logic and science to get around the failings of your god.

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Which is why Hawkins disliked philosophy, its the area where common sense turns raw scientific data into human experience.
In that sense science fails and its no longer science. Its scientism.
That is so irrational, I would have just ignored it. But it does get tiring having people straw man 'scientism' just to use it as an ad hominem.

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Brilliant men make fools of themselves as only they can.
And there's the failure of the Issac Newton argument, where any intelligent atheist is blindly making a fool of the themselves (wink, wink), but Issac Newton believed in a god, therefore he wasn't (wink, wink).
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Old 03-15-2018, 08:04 AM
 
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The moment he died he was confronted by God. IF he knew Jesus, he was welcomed into his arms for eternity. I hope he did, seriously. But nothing I have read indicates he had any kind of faith. If not, then he was punished for his sin.
What an immoral god you believe in.
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Old 03-15-2018, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I find that there’s really not very much to fear at all from an atheist. They don’t tend to form large groups with driven ideologies. The biggest group, and probably most active, used to be American Atheists and the most they did that could have a societal impact was bring the occasional lawsuit over church/state issues or engage in some limited outreach programs.
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