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Victorian society:
Sex is dirty so lets not do it.
Modern society:
Sex is dirty so lets do it.
In 200 years we haven't learned a single thing.
Speaking for me, my society, my peers and the groups of "we" I am a part of - I do not see anyone suggesting sex is "dirty" anymore.
The "we" I am part of have learned much over time - that sex is not "dirty" at all put a perfectly natural and enjoyable and normal thing.
But we learn also that with it comes responsibility. Sex is fine - but must be done with the correct knowledge and care. But I would say that about many things from science to sport too.
The only people in my home country who seem to think sex is "dirty" are the one stuck in the middle ages. Mainly the clergy and followers of the Catholic Church. Their idea that sex is "dirty" might come in part from the fact some of them have now been discovered to have engaged in the most perverse and disgusting forms of it. Such as pederasty and rape. And the shame they likely felt - they projected onto the act of sex or masturbation themselves.
There is nothing "dirty" about sex. Heterosexual sex. Homosexual sex. Group sex. Masturbatory sex. Sex for money. Or pornography. It is all perfectly fine and enjoyable stuff. But as with anything in life - one should not engage in it without knowledge of - and mediation of - the risks involved.
Thankfully however as science and society progress we have better and better ways to mitigate and mediate the risks. From drugs and products that prevent STI - to drugs and products that prevent pregnancy - to the options of abortion and social welfare to extend and support the choices of those who decide to proceed with, or terminate, unexpected unplanned and even unwanted pregnancies. All great progress.
Not sure what requires explanation. I think drinking alcohol and taking certain drugs is ok too. But I would not want children doing it or being exposed to it.
Similarly "ratings" are related not with sex being "dirty" - but our attitudes towards what children are ready for and ready to be exposed to.
As I already wrote - "It is all perfectly fine and enjoyable stuff. But as with anything in life - one should not engage in it without knowledge of - and mediation of - the risks involved." - and the reason we have concepts like informed consent and maturity in our culture is because children are _not_ in a position to engage fully with the knowledge and care and risks I refer to.
So I think the ratings have - or should have - little to do with sex being "dirty" so much as sex not being a topic for exposure to children.
Further ratings allow us as individuals to make choices for ourselves by informing us of the type of content a product contains. Which is a good thing. I think "X" and "R" ratings are outdated and more recently I have noticed more comprehensive ratings preceeding programmes and movies on my local Media. For example the last movie I watched was preceeded with a break down of ratings on the level of sex, language, violence, epilepsy risk, and cultural offense it was likely to trigger. Allowing me as a consumer at a glance to decide if this was a product for my consumption! Great stuff!
Not sure what requires explanation. I think drinking alcohol and taking certain drugs is ok too. But I would not want children doing it or being exposed to it.
Similarly "ratings" are related not with sex being "dirty" - but our attitudes towards what children are ready for and ready to be exposed to.
As I already wrote - "It is all perfectly fine and enjoyable stuff. But as with anything in life - one should not engage in it without knowledge of - and mediation of - the risks involved." - and the reason we have concepts like informed consent and maturity in our culture is because children are _not_ in a position to engage fully with the knowledge and care and risks I refer to.
So I think the ratings have - or should have - little to do with sex being "dirty" so much as sex not being a topic for exposure to children.
Further ratings allow us as individuals to make choices for ourselves by informing us of the type of content a product contains. Which is a good thing. I think "X" and "R" ratings are outdated and more recently I have noticed more comprehensive ratings preceeding programmes and movies on my local Media. For example the last movie I watched was preceeded with a break down of ratings on the level of sex, language, violence, epilepsy risk, and cultural offense it was likely to trigger. Allowing me as a consumer at a glance to decide if this was a product for my consumption! Great stuff!
your attitude is exactly what this thread is about.
"Sex is dirty and deviant and shameful and we must protect children from it but its ok for adults to do it". Sex is dirty so lets do it.
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Originally Posted by granpa
Victorian society:
Sex is dirty so lets not do it.
Modern society:
Sex is dirty so lets do it.
In 200 years we haven't learned a single thing.
Many good people are trying very hard to tell people that "sex isnt dirty" but the powers that be are deliberately subverting their message into "its ok to be dirty".
Many other messages (like the words of Christ and the words of Buddha) are likewise being subverted. It is not an accident that things are so messed up. The people that run this planet want it this way. It is deliberate.
Who are these people that run the planet? Moderator cut: Politics
If you say so, but if spewing out that line of vacuous personal attack - without any substance or qualification is the best you can do - then I wonder if it would be best directed at a mirror rather than at me.
Again I really do not see what you have to gain by distorting what I said - but to repeat your summation of my "attitude" was one that described the exact opposite of the position I actually hold on the matter.
There is a difference between saying that sex is ok because it isnt dirty and saying sex is dirty but its ok to be dirty. Some people cant seem to grasp the difference. You are evidently one of those people. That is why I say you dont have a clue. Because you dont
There is a difference between saying that sex isnt dirty and saying its ok to be dirty. Some people cant seem to grasp the difference. You are evidently one of those people. That is why I say you dont have a clue. Because you dont
Yet nothing in my posts suggest I do not see that difference. You dont have a clue do you?
Your summation of my position and "attitude" in fact shows that you do not have a clue - you can not understand that very distinction in my post - and hence you have summarized my position and "attitude" exactly wrong. You dont have a clue do you?
So as I said - go get the mirror. That is why I say you dont have a clue. Because you dont
Certainly in the "difference" you speak of I am in the "Sex isn't" dirty camp. Nothing in my post or position or attitude requires the "it is ok to be dirty" distinction at all therefore. It is not that I do not understand the distinction therefore - but that you do not - as the distinction is not even relevant to the position I do hold. You dont have a clue do you?
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