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Originally Posted by GoCardinals
The ancestors of Moses and Abraham were perhaps idol worshippers too. What’s the point?
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X-Moses.
His name is X-Moses.
The word "moses" is not of Hebrew origin. It is Egyptian, and like Canaanite languages it was consonantal, meaning vowels were not used.
The word is rendered
m-s-s in Egyptian as it is in Hebrew meaning "emanated from" and it was always prefixed with the name of a deity.
The original name of X-Moses could have been Dedumoses or Ahmoses, or Kamoses, or Tutmoses, or Rameses, or Ptahmoses, or Amenmoses, or Osormeses, or Teomeses, or Achmoses and a dozen or more others I can recall.
If I were to venture an educated guess, I'd say X-Moses' real name was Ahmoses or Amenmoses. It could have been Ankhmoses, too.
If you understood what you're reading then you'd know that in Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers, every single member of the tribe of Reuben, Simeon and Levi have exclusively Egyptian names, like Aaron -- yeah, that's Egyptian not Hebrew -- and Phineas and such.
At the same time, every single member of all the other tribes have exclusively Canaanite names.
There's a very logical and valid reason why that might be true.
The other tribes always lived in Canaan and never lived in Egypt.
The tribes of Reuben, Simeon and Levi lived in Egypt, but later came to Canaan.
If you understood Sumerian/Akkadian birth-right customs, then you'd know that regardless of birth-order, the ranking is this:
1) preferred half-sister
2) half-sister
3) preferred wife
4) wife
5) ranking concubine
6) all other concubines by rank
Abram (Abraham) was from Ur, an Akkadian city, and his wife was his half-sister Serai (Sarah). Same father (Terah) but different mothers.
Hagar's son was first-born, but Serai is the half-sister wife, and that's why Ishmael didn't get the birth-right.
That's why Joseph got the birth-right.
Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Daniel, Gad, Naphtali and the other 4 brothers were all born before Joseph, yet Joseph gets the birth-right.
Why?
Because Joseph's mother was Rachel, the preferred wife, even though Jacob married Leah first.
So Joseph gets half of all the Hebrew's land in Canaan, and his 12 brothers have to fight over the scraps of the other half.
Except Joseph foregoes his birth-right and passes it on to his two sons Manasseh and Ephraim.
After they say their goodbyes to their father, Manasseh and Ephraim go squat on Joseph's land, which sits right next to Ugarit and that's where they were
for the next 11 centuries until the Kingdom of Israel was over run.
All the other brothers went back to Canaan, too, except Reuben, Simeon and Levi.
For whatever reason, those three were cut out of the birth-right and the J text writer is so far removed, he doesn't understand Sumerian/Akkadian customs so he jumps through hoops trying to explain why those three were cut out, saying Reuben slept with his father's concubine and Simeon and Levi murdered the men of Shechem, even though the E text writer says the Hebrews bought Shechem for 100 shekels.
What reason do Reuben, Simeon and Levi have to go back to Canaan?
None.
They have no intention of swallowing their pride and being tenant farmers on the lands of their brothers.
But, if they stayed in Egypt, Joseph could set them up real nice.
Joseph could give them land, and herds of animals and maybe even appoint them to low level government positions.
I suspect Joseph appointed Levi as a priest.
In those cultures, priesthood is hereditary, passing from father to son, so it's no wonder the Levites would be priests.
They could stay in contact and probably did through trade.
Egypt had suzerainty over the region, including Canaan so trade caravans would be very, very profitable.
Ultimately, Egypt lost control, which means trade caravans would be victims of bandits and so trade eventually ground to a halt and contact between the tribes was lost.
The reason I suggest Ahmoses or Amenmoses or Ankhmoses is because there was a short-lived monotheistic cult that arose during the reign of one of the pharaohs. After that pharaoh died, the new pharaoh shut that cult down and persecuted its members. If you were a cult-member, you'd either need to go underground, or change your beliefs.
It's possible that action caused the tribes of Reuben, Simeon and Levi to flee Egypt and return to the land of their brothers.
That's your big Exodus Nothing-Burger.
There's no archaeological evidence to support the Exodus, but there is evidence of expansion in the mountains where the tribe of Reuben was to accommodate about 20,000 people, and evidence of expansion at the same time south of Judah where Simeon was located for about 12,000 to 14,000 people.
That's your big Exodus Nothing-Burger.
The thing about you christians is your total lack of critical thinking and analytical skills.
Who was greater, X-Moses or Aaron?
If you said X-Moses, then why is the Aaronid priesthood running the show at the Temple and not the Mosaic priesthood?
Mmmh?
What egregious sin did X-Moses commit that should allow the Aaronid priesthood to rule over the Temple and the Mosaic priesthood?
Let me ask you this: Did the faith of X-Moses ever waver?
No.
Can you say the same of Aaron?
Nope.
Who built the Golden Calves? Oh, that was Aaron.
Why isn't the Aaronid priesthood totally disqualified?
Given that Aaron's faith wavered, how could there even be an Aaronid priesthood?
You don't even understand the words you read.
Anyway, when Jeremiah and Hilkiah were writing Deuteronomy for their own selfish interests and thus it is not the word of, nor inspired by, nor filled with the spirit of the Yahweh-Jesus-Thing, they made some edits.
Being the Yahweh-fanatics they were, they could never tolerate a name like Ahmoses.
For Jeremiah the name Ahmoses would have been so grotesquely offensive in the eyes of Yahweh, he simply struck it from the texts.
So, Ahmoses became "moses."
When we eventually find early copies of the E text, we'll know the real name of X-Moses.
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Originally Posted by silibran
It is true that archeology has failed to substantiate the earliest origin stories of the Israelites.
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Canaanite and Hebrew culture are so nearly identical that archaeologists can't even tell the difference between the two.
That's because from about 1,800 BCE to 550 BCE or so, the Hebrews
always lived in Canaan.
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