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Old 10-04-2019, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Another ‘wall of text’ from TotN! Did you get it all out of your system?
Iwas, I suggest you actually read that wall of words. Start with the highlighted bits. Even only the highlighted bits. It's a horror story!

 
Old 10-04-2019, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Canada
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I don't think you are a bad person Iwasmadenew . But I must point out that you have yet to take a position on the morality of hacking children and babies to death with swords.
First, the quotes you provided do nothing to prove God does not exist, and as such does nothing to support your worldview.

Second, it is my opinion that God is allowed to do or command whatever he wants to with His creation.

Third, what is your basis for making a judgement about morality, especially with respect to God?? I think that shows hubris.
 
Old 10-04-2019, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Second, it is my opinion that God is allowed to do or command whatever he wants to with His creation.
Are you condoning the immoral, murderous and beastly behaviour of your God? If this god is so cruel and immoral, why would it sent his only son to be tortured to death to pay for our sins - sins that it created in the first place?

Oh wait - that's why.

Don't you get it?
 
Old 10-04-2019, 01:04 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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First, the quotes you provided do nothing to prove God does not exist, and as such does nothing to support your worldview.

Second, it is my opinion that God is allowed to do or command whatever he wants to with His creation.

Third, what is your basis for making a judgement about morality, especially with respect to God?? I think that shows hubris.
You are not the first to bite the bullet and not try to offload the immorality onto someone else, but say that God can do whatever he wants. This - consider - makes a mockery of morality and makes it power -play. It is when the claim that God is good, just and moral goes down the tube and it is simply dictatorship through fear and force. The implication of this are quite deep but that's the starting point of this bullet -biting position on the OT.
 
Old 10-04-2019, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You are not the first to bite the bullet and not try to offload the immorality onto someone else, but say that God can do whatever he wants. This - consider - makes a mockery of morality and makes it power -play. It is when the claim that God is good, just and moral goes down the tube and it is simply dictatorship through fear and force. The implication of this are quite deep but that's the starting point of this bullet -biting position on the OT.
Sort of simplified, "Do as I say, not as I do"? command?
 
Old 10-04-2019, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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First, the quotes you provided do nothing to prove God does not exist, and as such does nothing to support your worldview.

Second, it is my opinion that God is allowed to do or command whatever he wants to with His creation.

Third, what is your basis for making a judgement about morality, especially with respect to God?? I think that shows hubris.
Your posts where you force prayers on those who do not want them...your posts trying to get people to become believers who have other life styles and beliefs...not to mention your ""I care about your eternity" (which is none of your business)

Those are things that show hubris.
 
Old 10-04-2019, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Your posts where you force prayers on those who do not want them...your posts trying to get people to become believers who have other life styles and beliefs...not to mention your ""I care about your eternity" (which is none of your business)

Those are things that show hubris.
Have you already felt the effect of my prayers for you? I told you to tell me as soon as you started feeling it. Can you try to estimate the day and time that you think you felt something? That would be a big help. Thanks.
Is it really wrong of me to care more about your eternity than you do?
 
Old 10-04-2019, 02:15 PM
 
Location: USA
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First, the quotes you provided do nothing to prove God does not exist, and as such does nothing to support your worldview.
If the God of the Bible exists He is a psychotic ogre.

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Second, it is my opinion that God is allowed to do or command whatever he wants to with His creation.
Now you have justified hacking children and babies to death with swords. You are an example of why religion is a dangerous form of insanity that must be opposed.

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Third, what is your basis for making a judgement about morality, especially with respect to God?? I think that shows hubris.
So I should make no moral judgement on hacking children to death, or blowing them up with bombs, or flying airplanes into buildings, so long as these acts can be justified as the will of God?

Re-read the account of the massacre of the Waldensian's by Christian soldiers, an actual historical event that actually occurred in 1655.

Wikipedia
Waldensian's

"Little children were torn from the arms of their mothers, clasped by their tiny feet, and their heads dashed against the rocks; or were held between two soldiers and their quivering limbs torn up by main force. Their mangled bodies were then thrown on the highways or fields, to be devoured by beasts. The sick and the aged were burned alive in their dwellings. Some had their hands and arms and legs lopped off, and fire applied to the severed parts to staunch the bleeding and prolong their suffering. Some were flayed alive, some were roasted alive, some disemboweled; or tied to trees in their own orchards, and their hearts cut out. Some were horribly mutilated, and of others the brains were boiled and eaten by these cannibals. Some were fastened down into the furrows of their own fields, and ploughed into the soil as men plough manure into it. Others were buried alive. Fathers were marched to death with the heads of their sons suspended round their necks. Parents were compelled to look on while their children were first outraged [raped], then massacred, before being themselves permitted to die."

This massacre became known as the Piedmont Easter. An estimate of some 1,700 Waldensians were slaughtered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldensians

And yet according to you as a non believer I have no basis for making judgments about morality.

But I DO make judgements on morality. And I judge religions to be a form of, and cause of, a type of insanity that is an ongoing threat to all mankind.
 
Old 10-04-2019, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Re-read the account of the massacre of the Waldensian's by Christian soldiers, an actual historical event that actually occurred in 1655.

slaughtered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldensians

.
No problem..their souls probably all went directly to heaven.

That's the most important thing, right?
 
Old 10-04-2019, 02:38 PM
 
Location: USA
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No problem..their souls probably all went directly to heaven.

That's the most important thing, right?
Now they are all in heaven together. Along with the soldiers that committed the atrocities, as well as the religious leaders that were responsible for ordering these sorts of atrocities.

Now THERE is a reality show!

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