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why would you expect someone else to "give you evidence" instead of validating it and verifying it for yourself? That is the equivalent of relying on someone else to do your thinking for you. relying on others to tell you what to think and what to believe.
Not really. By giving me the evidence, which its oldest sense means "to see", I would be able to see the same thing they are seeing. Then from there, I can decide if what I am seeing supports what they are saying. I am not going to reinvent the wheel in all cases.
I have a daughter who struggled with math and reading. People would recommend this and that. I did not see the connection of how their recommendations would help my daughter. And so I did have to reinvent the wheel for some things. It was very personal and it does not have to apply to other children who struggle as well and most certainly not a necessity for children who do not struggle.
Not really. By giving me the evidence, which its oldest sense means "to see", I would be able to see the same thing they are seeing. Then from there, I can decide if what I am seeing supports what they are saying. I am not going to reinvent the wheel in all cases.
I have a daughter who struggled with math and reading. People would recommend this and that. I did not see the connection of how their recommendations would help my daughter. And so I did have to reinvent the wheel for some things. It was very personal and it does not have to apply to other children who struggle as well and most certainly not a necessity for children who do not struggle.
someone else can't "see" for you or see on your behalf.
any more than someone can learn for you and earn a university degree on your behalf. or go to dance lessons and learn how to dance on your behalf. or meditate and gain inner peace on your behalf.
someone else can't "see" for you or see on your behalf.
any more than someone can learn for you and earn a university degree on your behalf. or go to dance lessons and learn how to dance on your behalf. or meditate and gain inner peace on your behalf.
You forget that I called evidence a gift. Not a demand.
You forget that I called evidence a gift. Not a demand.
knowing something, understanding, is not acquired by someone "giving it to you."
it is acquired by a person actively engaging, participating, validating, and verifying.
otherwise it remains hearsay.
hearsay = taking someone else's word for it
knowing something is not acquired by someone "giving it to you."
it is acquired by a person actively engaging, participating, validating, and verifying.
otherwise it remains hearsay.
Yes and no.
I may have agreed 100% with you years ago, but after meeting up with a very specific group of people, I am not so inclined to hold fast to that position.
I will address this on the possibility that it is a serious answer. There is no doubt that in some cultures people expect apologies. Parents often tell their children to apologize. I don't enforce it, therefore, I am taking a guess here that it is not a universal expectation. While it is nice to do so and preferred in many places of the world and for good reasons, apologizing didn't work for me in my environment. I refuse to do anything that doesn't work for me and I will accept the consequences.
As far as evidence, the word has a negative connotation for some. For me, it's a great gift a person can give me.
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My response was in jest, my apologies. I thought it was evident.
knowing something, understanding, is not acquired by someone "giving it to you."
it is acquired by a person actively engaging, participating, validating, and verifying.
otherwise it remains hearsay.
hearsay = taking someone else's word for it
If I go out and look at the horizon the Earth seems flat (with a few undulations). That is my direct, first person perception.
There is a whole load of evidence the Earth is not flat. But that is all independent evidence - photographs, third party accounts, scientific calculations, models. None of that is my direct perception.
So should I stick with my direct perceptions, or independently verify and validate my perceptions? You may disagree, but I think I would be a fool to merely trust my perception without independent validation.
I will address this on the possibility that it is a serious answer. There is no doubt that in some cultures people expect apologies. Parents often tell their children to apologize. I don't enforce it, therefore, I am taking a guess here that it is not a universal expectation. While it is nice to do so and preferred in many places of the world and for good reasons, apologizing didn't work for me in my environment. I refuse to do anything that doesn't work for me and I will accept the consequences.
As far as evidence, the word has a negative connotation for some. For me, it's a great gift a person can give me.
Do you have an example of what universal truth might be? My best example is this: an apple falls towards Earth because of gravity. It crosses all beliefs systems.
Your example works as well as any...
Earth is round and not flat -- another universal truth AKA "crossing all belief systems." I like that too!
why would you expect someone else to "give you evidence" instead of validating it and verifying it for yourself? That is the equivalent of relying on someone else to do your thinking for you. relying on others to tell you what to think and what to believe.
Fair enough and in the same way when someone else suggests I should think or believe something without providing any good evidence or justification to do so, what good reason is there to believe such a claim?
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