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Old 10-21-2019, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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the phrases "faith based assertion" and "faith claims" are both invalid and inaccurate.
you dismiss out of hand intuition, since it is something you have chosen not to utilize or develop in yourself (as shown in another thread)

when a person does not use their intuition , then their growth is stunted with regards to spiritual development, and the information and knowledge they are able to access, and their ability to navigate and verify ideas and concepts in (well life across the board, but for this forum and thread ) "religion and spirituality" in general and specifically the role and mechanics and purpose of reincarnation.

A person can choose to ignore and dismiss intuition in this free choice plane of existence. but then their understanding and application of vast planes of knowledge, concepts, and information remains very limited.
While I lean more toward your side on the topic of karma and perhaps reincarnation, in reality, neither of those topics (nor the topic of a soul) has been proven, and thus are faith-based assertions.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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What kind of texts on theology and philosophy have been generated by Buddhists? If there is a lack that may be a reason for the lack of clarity.
Well, there's the Tipitaka for we Theravada Buddhists (https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/). But you have to remember that -- at least for Theravadans -- scriptures are guides to lead to consideration of a teaching, not to acceptance of a teaching.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:16 AM
 
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We do?
What exactly is the we that enters the human body?
Why cannot it do it again, whatever it is?
What enters is the "seed" of a soul that grows into an embryo Spirit and is reborn as an infant Spirit.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:22 AM
 
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What enters is the "seed" of a soul that grows into an embryo Spirit and is reborn as an infant Spirit.
Or maybe each seed is just one part of a more extensive crop. Perhaps our “Spirit” is intended to be more multi-faceted than one seed could generate.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:52 AM
 
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Intuition here is also faith based, as you would not be able to verify your claim of a soul until you are dead. If you have no external evidence for a soul, you must have faith your intuition is correct. As a product of the subconscious brain, cognitive bias is a problem, such as teleological thinking and favoring ideas that are the same as your desires.
a person validates and verifies their intuition by using it and paying attention to outcomes and results. That generates evidence. The more a person uses it and develops it the stronger it gets. The more a person validates results for themself (not for others; for themself. It is an individual process that requires the participation of the individual. No one else can verify it for them.) then the greater the evidence there is that accumulates for that person.

Using intuition is like a muscle. don't use it, it atrophies. use it and it gets stronger. claim it doesn't exist and look ignorant. dismiss it and remain stunted.
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:10 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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What enters is the "seed" of a soul that grows into an embryo Spirit and is reborn as an infant Spirit.
How do you explain "old souls" then ?
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:24 AM
 
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Or maybe each seed is just one part of a more extensive crop. Perhaps our “Spirit” is intended to be more multi-faceted than one seed could generate.
indeed.
multi faceted it is and existing in a multi dimensional state.
our soul is many places at once.
it is not singular but can (and does) split into many parts and it is still your soul.

and outside of time, too, since time does not exist for the soul, but only for the physical body that the soul inhabits.

so from the physical human perspective there are "past lives," this present life we are in now, and "future lives" when we incarnate again
but from the soul perspective (linear time does not exist; that is an aspect of eternity and your soul is eternal) all these different lives or expressions of you are occurring simultaneously.

in this way what we do now can change our past. there are healing modalities that use this to "rewrite" and "rescript" and "change events" from the past through therapeutic techniques. The result is healing in the now.
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Old 10-21-2019, 11:47 AM
 
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Or maybe each seed is just one part of a more extensive crop. Perhaps our “Spirit” is intended to be more multi-faceted than one seed could generate.
My experiences would support that view.
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Old 10-21-2019, 12:05 PM
 
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How do you explain "old souls" then ?
See below.

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indeed.
multi faceted it is and existing in a multi dimensional state.
our soul is many places at once.
it is not singular but can (and does) split into many parts and it is still your soul.

and outside of time, too, since time does not exist for the soul, but only for the physical body that the soul inhabits.

so from the physical human perspective there are "past lives," this present life we are in now, and "future lives" when we incarnate again
but from the soul perspective (linear time does not exist; that is an aspect of eternity and your soul is eternal) all these different lives or expressions of you are occurring simultaneously.

in this way what we do now can change our past. there are healing modalities that use this to "rewrite" and "rescript" and "change events" from the past through therapeutic techniques. The result is healing in the now.
It is remarkable how similar our ultimate conclusions overlap in spite of our very different overall perspectives. Our unconscious is in the real state - a component of the multitude that comprises the consciousness of God. It is the "end product" of the "in-process" consciousness that we experience as our awareness. It influences our "in-process" awareness from its perspective (out of our experienced time) and that is what probably accounts for precognition or the knowledge of other components of the multitude (old souls). Our "in-process" awareness is actually a delayed replay of the actual creation of our unconscious. IOW, our unconscious already knows what we are about to experience in the replay and has access to the other components of the multitude.
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Old 10-21-2019, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I asked this before and it was laughed at as if I was making a joke.
I had said "If everyone is reincarnated, who's in Heaven?"
Now, I'll ask again but a little differently.
Do people who believe in reincarnations as some of you have described it, not believe the soul goes to "Heaven", to be with God, where one goes for eternal happiness and peace?
It would seem so.

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