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Sorry, Matthew. This is the story that has been constructed by the church to shift blame from God's culpability to man. According to the church God is all loving and all good so He couldn't possibility have any blame in all this. The truth is if we're to take the story of Adam and Eve literally, then God as much as put the gun into Eve's hand and said, "Don't pull that trigger. Something bad will happen." Then He walked away and left Eve to point the gun at Adam and pull the trigger the way any two kids playing with a loaded firearm would do. When you tell a kid, "Don't do this" what are they going to do? Why do the very opposite of what you told them not to do, of course!!!!!!
God sets Adam and Eve next to the tree that would kill them and said, "Don't touch this tree." So what are they going to do? Why touch the tree, naturally. This is no different than blaming a 4 year old for shooting his little sister when the father deliberately left the loaded gun lying on the coffee table right in front of them, warned them, and then walked away. Any court in the land wouldn't put the 4 year old into prison, they'd put the father in prison with no more than a few seconds of deliberation and rightly so. God is to blame for man's fall, not Adam, not Eve, not the serpent, not satan. God alone.
If you believe in the story of Adam and Eve, literally then you will also note that God created them man and women and not boy and girl. They were fully capable of procreating so they weren't children. Additionally, we are told Adam was not deceived. That shows he was intellectually capable of understanding what action to take and what to avoid. Even though they did not witness humans die they knew what death was because unlike man and woman the animals were not created with the prospect of everlasting life. Animals died. Also, consider the garden had everything for them. An abundance of food, water, favorable temperature, no disease, no crime and they were accustomed to hearing Gods voice everyday so he was instructing them. There was nothing they lacked. On the other hand, Jesus, who skeptic scholars like Bart Ehrman consider as a historical figure, was also a perfect man. He lived a short life in a very imperfect world. Yet he was fully able to keep his integrity where Adam failed. The analogy of a loaded gun left with kids isn't consonant with the Biblical record.
Satan made it rain Fire of God from Heaven that burned the herds.
(How many times does it rain Fire of God in The Bible? Here we have Satan in control of that Fire of God. So it's probable that every time it has fallen on the earth it was Satan who was doing it)
Satan made powerful winds that blew buildings down, killing everyone inside.
Satan made armies rise up & smite their enemy.
Satan killed all the sons & daughters.
Satan brought the plague that rots people's flesh.
So when we complain about God allowing bad things to happen we have to remember that Satan is the one who does the bad things, & God is allowing it because this is a lower world where bad things are meant to happen
In Matthew 19:17 and many other verses in the bible state as God being good.
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
If God is all good why did the Great Lisbon Earthquake kill hundreds of thousands of people on All Saints Day while they were IN church praying to God.
Can anyone explain this?
Sure. They were all praying "I can't wait to be with you in heaven, God". Since he is good, they got their prayers answered.
In Matthew 19:17 and many other verses in the bible state as God being good.
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
If God is all good why did the Great Lisbon Earthquake kill hundreds of thousands of people on All Saints Day while they were IN church praying to God.
Can anyone explain this?
Gen 6:6 says all you need to know what god thinks of it’s screw up with creating humans.
God gave the earth to man , through Adam , and Adam ignore God and the earth went to the God of Adam who is the devil ..... Then God brought Jesus who gave His life for a judgment of God on man ...... Through Jesus believers has the power to help the earth , where as no pray for God then God is limited to doing very little , as God gave the earth to man
Wait!
Jesus gave his life or was jesus murdered?
You xians are all over the place.
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Originally Posted by kjw47
The world hates truth. Its why they murdered Jesus and his followers back then. Why do you hate truth?
Did the jews murder jesus or did jesus commit suicide by jews FOR YOUR SINS?
Right, God is Not omnipotent because there are things God can Not do: -> God can Not lie - Titus 1:2
God is able and willing in that is why God sent heavenly pre-human Jesus to Earth for us.
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Actually if you read the entire verse for Titus 1:2 it's actually saying he is omnipotent. . . . in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began. (Titus 1:2)
Although this might seem like a contradiction, there is truly no conflict when we consider that God tells us in many places that He will not lie (Numbers 23:19;1 Samuel 15:29). We also understand that God’s character is unchanging. In 2 Timothy 2:13 we read that “He cannot deny Himself.” God is a rational being and He communicates with us to reveal His character.
If you look in the bible you will also see many other verses saying that God is omnipotent.
I know that You can do everything, And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You. (Job 42:2)
Ah, Lord God! Behold, You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power and outstretched arm. There is nothing too hard for You. (Jeremiah 32:17)
Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for Me? (Jeremiah 32:27)
Is anything too hard for the Lord? At the appointed time I will return to you, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son. (Genesis 18:14)
But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” (Matthew 19:26)
And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, “Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns!” (Revelation 19:6)
By two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us (Hebrews 6:18).
But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases. (Psalm 115:3)
So going back to the question, if God is omnipotent why did he allow those praying for him in church to perish?
Here is God saying Satan has the power to do anything bad that he wants to Job. Satan brings fire from Heaven to burn up all the sheep. Stirs up enemy soldiers to attack. Controls the weather to blow houses down & crush the occupants, just like the churches fell & killed all the folk in the opening post.
So Satan is controlling all things on earth at this stage while God simply watches.
The Book of Job is meant to point out that Satan is the god of the earth. The book starts with Satan telling God that he has been moving all over every corner of the earth. The Earth is Satan's Land & he has control here.
Actually, you need to examine your bible a bit better. Satan does not have carte blanche power to do whatever he wants on Earth. Scripture reveals that whatever influence Satan and his demon angels have over the weather is restricted by God’s ultimate sovereignty. The Devil, our "adversary," must be taken seriously; we should acknowledge his existence and his limited power over the secular world. At the same time, Satan, a defeated fallen angel, is super-human but not divine, having only the power that God ultimately allows (2 Thessalonians 2:6-11).
If Satan could impact the weather, it would only be by God’s permission, and restrained, as in the case of Job. Satan was allowed by God to torment Job in order to test him, and this included “the fire of God” (probably lightning) which "fell from the sky and burned up the sheep and the servants" (Job 1:16).
It is God, not Satan, who controls the weather (Exodus 9:29; Psalm 135:6-7; Jeremiah 10:13).
God controls the skies and the rain (Psalm 77:16-19).
God controls the wind (Mark 4:35-41; Jeremiah 51:16).
God upholds and sustains the universe (Hebrews 1:3).
God has power over the clouds (Job 37:11-12, 16).
God has power over lightning (Psalm 18:14).
God has power over all nature (Job 26).
Lets look not only at Matthew 19:17 but the verses that follow:
He said to him: “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If, though, you want to enter into life, observe the commandments continually.” 18 He said to him: “Which ones?” Jesus said: “You must not murder, you must not commit adultery, you must not steal, you must not bear false witness, 19 honor your father and your mother,+ and you must love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man said to him: “I have kept all of these; what am I still lacking?” 21 Jesus said to him: “If you want to be perfect,go sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come be my follower.”
Matthew here provides the answer in verse 21. God lacks nothing. He's perfect. Everything else is relative. Only one being is described in the Bible as being perfect. The Father. So its in the context that God is good =lacks nothing that Jesus here is telling the man that there is something that the man lacks and warmly invites him to be his follower.
There are several verses in the bible that say God is all good. If he is all good how is it that thousands perished inside churches during All Saints Day?
People are led to believe that it's God's will that a plane falls from the sky, that a tsunami wipes hundreds of thousands off the face of the earth, and on and on. Some people believe its a test of ones faith. Others believe it's part of God's plan although that's little comfort to someone who has lost their loved ones.
The Bible actually states we suffer calamities because we are in the wrong place at the wrong time
God doesn't try anyone with evil.
Jesus's sacrifice means that all the harm caused by human imperfection, Satan, bad religion, bad governments, and an imperfect environment will be reversed. Christians have hope in the resurrection.
Actually it says in the bible that we may not always know why natural disasters happen, the only thing we can be assured that in all our trials and tribulations God is working all things together for His glory and for our everlasting good.
Romans 8:18–28 18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time nare not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For yin this hope we were saved. Now zhope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we await for it with patience.
26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For bwe do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27 And dhe who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,8 for those who are called according to his purpose.
So basically it boils down to having faith and believing in God. No explanations why natural disasters kill the followers of God. Why can't Christians just admit that?
Sure. They were all praying "I can't wait to be with you in heaven, God". Since he is good, they got their prayers answered.
Lol, sounds like God is slacking. He's got a few billion more people to answer their prayers also.
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The truth is if we're to take the story of Adam and Eve literally, then God as much as put the gun into Eve's hand and said, "Don't pull that trigger. Something bad will happen." Then He walked away and left Eve to point the gun at Adam and pull the trigger the way any two kids playing with a loaded firearm would do. When you tell a kid, "Don't do this" what are they going to do? Why do the very opposite of what you told them not to do, of course!!!!!!
