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It seems that Advaita also recommends study of the scriptures and/or guidance from a teacher.
That seems to require a large measure of intelligence and ability to learn new languages to
avoid translation errors. Not to mention dedication and time. Maybe a great teacher could
overcome some of that.
yuppers ...
I would add "intentions". What goals does a person have in evaluating and unpacking anything like this stuff.
I would add "intentions". What goals does a person have in evaluating and unpacking anything like this stuff.
...and sorting through the various commentaries and "schools".
yes, intention should be very important. But doesn't that imply desire?
Of course, everyone entering into this is coming from ordinary reality.
I would add "intentions". What goals does a person have in evaluating and unpacking anything like this stuff.
Intention and motivation are a crucial part of the realization of the self. In fact it is not even as much realization as it is removal of ignorance of the true reality. With effort and study this concept can be intellectually understood and embraced. But realizing the Oneness is cannot be achieved by effort, or any kind desire or motivation. It just happens, like the way when you find something you lost, you will instantly know. This is what the scriptures say.
...and sorting through the various commentaries and "schools".
yes, intention should be very important. But doesn't that imply desire?
Of course, everyone entering into this is coming from ordinary reality.
yes, "desires" can easily swapped in for me in this case.
The last line would have to be clarified.
Where I grew up, I didn't judge a guys behavior without considering the fact that they slept on the street because it was safer than going home. The only thing I judged them on is how they reacted when I said "no, I will stop you from hurting that lady for her money to eat."
...and sorting through the various commentaries and "schools".
yes, intention should be very important. But doesn't that imply desire?
Of course, everyone entering into this is coming from ordinary reality.
Absolutely does. Action motivated by desire cannot result in Oneness. But understanding the concept does require study, dedication, and desire. Teacher is also very important but with technology the teacher can come to you. I have found several excellent sources in books, podcasts, and web.
I love reading the actual texts in Sanskrit, which also is a difficult language to teach yourself, because they have great beauty. The verses, always verses, are terse, with compressed meaning. There are commentaries on them which are also in Sanskrit verses. There great and not so great translations. So you do need a good teacher, in person or electronic, who can unpack the meaning and bring you step by step closer to the meaning.
Absolutely does. Action motivated by desire cannot result in Oneness. But understanding the concept does require study, dedication, and desire. Teacher is also very important but with technology the teacher can come to you. I have found several excellent sources in books, podcasts, and web.
This is an oxymoronic rationale and the fact you do not see it suggest your intellectual efforts are in vain. You should focus on the right brain discipline of meditation because your left brain efforts through the discipline of language are leading you astray. You need the direct contact with the Oneness that meditation can achieve if you wish to truly understand Oneness. You are wasting your time in left brain pursuits. They will only avail you once you have experienced the reality of a multitude in Oneness.
This is an oxymoronic rationale and the fact you do not see it suggest your intellectual efforts are in vain. You should focus on the right brain discipline of meditation because your left brain efforts through the discipline of language are leading you astray. You need the direct contact with the Oneness that meditation can achieve if you wish to truly understand Oneness. You are wasting your time in left brain pursuits. They will only avail you once you have experienced the reality of a multitude in Oneness.
I kind of disagree with this. Motocross offered me the connection to the "oneness".
I kind of disagree with this. Motocross offered me the connection to the "oneness".
I was addressing CB, not you Arach. You seem to have maintained an open mind despite your focus on the left brain disciplines of mathematics and language. Clearly you found something in the experience of Motocross that supports your open-mindedness or perhaps it is your experience with ant farms. In any case, it is the experiential that fosters the necessary open-mindedness to accept the Oneness of God.
I was addressing CB, not you Arach. You seem to have maintained an open mind despite your focus on the left brain disciplines of mathematics and language. Clearly you found something in the experience of Motocross that supports your open-mindedness or perhaps it is your experience with ant farms. In any case, it is the experiential that fosters the necessary open-mindedness to accept the Oneness of God.
yes, exactly. I think I misunderstanding your post as "only meditation" and not "meditation can connect us to the oneness for some people. Maybe try it."
lets look at how a left brain can look at this oneness ...
basically the left uses what we know to describe what we don't know.
Watching ants and thinking how does the periodic table describe how they behave is what made the connection I think.
also, thinking about a brain on a dimmer switch did it for me. dim the brain and then turn it back up. what does, or might, it experience? how does the pt explain it?
How does QED explain what many spiritual people are experiencing? is there any thing associated with it that matches what we see? did it for me. "theist are stupid and delusional does nothing for me."
If I say "science and engineering" give us the best chance of understanding god, what claims can we make that follow the guide lines of science engineering? what set of descriptors define our reality the best? anti-god for social change is the best way to describe this oneness??
But you also know there are a few types of intellect. Some people can memorize lists really good but don't know the "what it means". They can list out everything we know and they won't ever be able to make a cell phone. They just can't see it.
I kind of disagree with this. Motocross offered me the connection to the "oneness".
Offered? Did you accept, did it come through?
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