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Old 11-05-2008, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Please provide any evidence that a human prayed for limb regeneration and it occurred? Certainly amputees have prayed for limb regeneration but it hasn't happened. Is your god who created heaven and Earth so powerless to restore a limb?

Don't say hand/limb transplant, because that is the work of medical science. Science, something you distrust and disavow.
Wow, so you know every amputee throughout world history as well?

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 11-05-2008, 09:36 PM
 
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Wow, so you know every amputee throughout world history as well?

godspeed,

freedom
A miraculous event such as that would have been documented.

Then again, look who I am asking for evidence. Evidence is not part of your vocabulary.
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Old 11-06-2008, 03:55 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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A miraculous event such as that would have been documented.

Then again, look who I am asking for evidence. Evidence is not part of your vocabulary.
People have been brought back from the dead, and its been documented, is that any less a happening?
Why the fascination with limbs?

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 11-06-2008, 05:33 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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Millions upon millions of human beings have always known the true and living God. Not today, but yesterday and down through earth's history.

He has most certainly stood the test of time, and always will.
Based on.....? I gave you numerous examples to the contrary. Since we are asking for something substantive at this point... the old Christian "uh huh!" "nuh uh" "Uh huh!" "Nuh uh" won't work. Put up or shut up.
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Old 11-06-2008, 06:01 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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I love the way religious zealots use abstractions, inabsolutes, and hyperbole to answer what they truly can't answer. LOL.. y'all kill me with the lines you have thrown in that make no sense. For every BS answer you throw out "You realize God gave you free will" I can say "We have free will because there is no God". Then we're back to the "yes" and "no" fight again. And, you all ignore the best arguments that you obviously have no answer for. Maybe that's for the best. When I gave PROOF (as asked for by the OP) as to why there probably isn't a god, the best answer any of you can come up with is "he's been there forever and people have known it"???? It didn't address the issue one bit, but such is the life of theology. Explain what you can, and talk in rediculous, superfluous circles when you can't.

Is there a god? Maybe. I doubt it, though.

One of the things that best got me to stop and really think about it was watching the movie Contact. For those that saw it, I hope you remember the scene with Matthew McConaughey as a Christian theology student and Jodie Foster. Jodie was questioning if there was a god, and asked Matthew to prove it. He turned the question back on her and asked "Does your dad love you?" Of course, her response was "yes," so he asked her to prove it. It was like an epiphany moment for her. It actually made me stop and think.

But love can be proven... through DEMONSTRATED behaviors. A hug, a kiss, a look, by spending time, by buying things with sentiment, etc. There are a myriad ways love can be proven and expressed. But, it all starts with a behavior. And... to have a behavior, there has to be corporeal presense. If there is no corporeal presense, the effects can still be proven as a direct result from that entity (i.e. you can't SEE a black hole, but the presense or existence can be proven the it's positive effect on things around it (absense/absorbtion of light, distortion of items of mass, etc.)).

Therefore, since there can be no proven effect as a direct result from "God", my answer has to be there is none.

Now, what those of you that are religious have to understand is that because I don't believe there's a God (in the sense that you all believe), I definitely understand the need for religion. Regardless of which religion it is, religion has provided all societies with some sort of moral compass. It has served as a basis for laws and punishments, as well as effective distractors for children and adults alike ("if you ____ you will go to hell!"). So, although I may not believe in God, it doesn't mean your needs (as well of all societies as a whole) to believe in religion are well founded and a continued need in my opinion.

Above is my argument as to why there is no God. Now.. can anyone provide a better argument than "uh huh!!" ??
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Old 11-06-2008, 06:04 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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People have been brought back from the dead, and its been documented, is that any less a happening?
Yes...it's called a defibrillator. And it can be proven, scientifically, how it works.

And, in the past, it was proven that medical diagnosis was so poor (due to lack of medical understanding) that people weren't really dead to start with. Comatose, frozen (falling into freezing water), etc. That's all documented, too.

Next!!
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:40 AM
 
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People have been brought back from the dead, and its been documented, is that any less a happening?
Why the fascination with limbs?

godspeed,

freedom
Because there's hardly anything ambiguous about hand/foot/leg/arm regeneration. Pastors like to say that prayer cures cancer and other diseases, despite scientific studies showing otherwise.

Show us a hand/foot/leg/arm growing back and you've got my attention. Surely your god can do this. He spoke the world into existence right? Just a hand...
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Old 11-06-2008, 10:20 AM
 
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Because there's hardly anything ambiguous about hand/foot/leg/arm regeneration. Pastors like to say that prayer cures cancer and other diseases, despite scientific studies showing otherwise.

Show us a hand/foot/leg/arm growing back and you've got my attention. Surely your god can do this. He spoke the world into existence right? Just a hand...
Ambiguous is the key word. People only say prayer works when they don't realize there are other factors that could (and probably did) have affected the outcome. Such as, if you have cancer, and have chemotherapy, but also pray, the believer will say it was the prayer, and the doctor will say it was the chemo. But prayer never works when it couldn't otherwise be explained by other factors, or coincidence.

See Confounding Variable.
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Old 11-06-2008, 02:33 PM
 
Location: in my house
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People have been brought back from the dead, and its been documented, is that any less a happening?
Why the fascination with limbs?

godspeed,

freedom
You're funny
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Old 11-06-2008, 02:42 PM
 
Location: England
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You're funny

Yes, have you all a fetish for limbs?

Why don't we all cut to the chase. Let's go back and back until the earth is gone, the sun has vanished and the stars and planets with it. Just a black and empty infinite void. Then what?
Because this goes to the heart of YOUR disbelief in God's existence.
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