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'I do not know' or 'maybe' is honest, but being allegedly confident in a world view by avoiding evidence that refutes your position not only shows doubt on your part, but tells us why you need to be dishonest with yourself.
Mirror, mirror on the wall who is seeing himself in others? Is being the reason we and everything else exist evidence for or against God?
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Nicely stated. I have moved on from that phase of my life, the phase where I truly did believe that a god wanted me to grow and learn from my past, suddenly grateful for my upbringing. From a Christiain perspective, it was all a test from god and it made sense. Many things have changed since then. From a parent's perspective, my lost childhood, the loss of my mother's, and that of my grandmother's, could have been avoided.
I just no longer think there is some grand plan for me that I do not create for myself.
Forget about grand plans and just accept, as I do, that you are to BECOME a newborn Spirit upon your death with the characteristics of agape love for life, period. We are becoming, NOT believing. Our beliefs either help or hinder that becoming.
Mirror, mirror on the wall who is seeing himself in others? Is being the reason we and everything else exist evidence for or against God?
the other thing is that "I don't know" isn't proof. Its fine to say "I don't know" but then to go and deny everything that said no matter how valid when we clearly don't know is what exactly? Is it about talking through a topic? or is more like forcing a belief on others?
Yours is a good example. I don't agree with it. But the logic means we just stop at "I call it the universe and you call it god." and we move on.
they use "I don't know" then proceed to do everything in their power to get their view on what you said the only side being discussed.
Forget about grand plans and just accept, as I do, that you are to BECOME a newborn Spirit upon your death with the characteristics of agape love for life, period. We are becoming, NOT believing. Our beliefs either help or hinder that becoming.
and this is where we part ways. Good luck on the journey and I will see on the other side ... or not.
Mirror, mirror on the wall who is seeing himself in others?
Another claim without evidence, and that ignores the evidence against it. Your need to descend into childish ad hominems is hardly the act of someone who taught Bayes for decades.
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Is being the reason we and everything else exist evidence for or against God?
A meaningless question that makes "God" a mere label that explains nothing. What you need to do is provide evidence for the other traits of your god, such as just one example of a consciousness, intelligent being without a brain.
the other thing is that "I don't know" isn't proof. Its fine to say "I don't know" but then to go and deny everything that said no matter how valid when we clearly don't know is what exactly? Is it about talking through a topic? or is more like forcing a belief on others?
Yours is a good example. I don't agree with it. But the logic means we just stop at "I call it the universe and you call it god." and we move on.
But the other atheists do NOT move on They assign all the existing evidence to something else and then demand evidence pretending that we MUST accept their belief about the unknown as the default.
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and this is where we part ways. Good luck on the journey and I will see on the other side ... or not.
I have always known and respected that you do not agree with my beliefs about God, Arach, but you are objective and have always separated my beliefs from the science. The others refuse to parse them. They conflate and jumble them so they can dismiss the science as woo and hokum.
During my morning walk with Mr Yap, my grandmothers dog, I came across a 20 Meter long trail of pigeon feathers. At the end of the trail was a circle of feathers, typical for a Sperber, a hawk that feeds on other birds. Once it has killed it's victim, it removes the feathers before eating. But the trail of feathers means that the pigeon was not immediately dead, and had struggled for 20 Meters to fly away while the Sperber removed feathers from the living victim.
I find the idea of an agape god described in religious texts hard to justify having seen that trail of feathers.
Exactly. Go for a walk here in Arizona and you're apt to see headless bird carcasses every once in a while. A pelt of a rabbit left behind by a coyote. Etc. Beautiful, isn't it?
Exactly. Go for a walk here in Arizona and you're apt to see headless bird carcasses every once in a while. A pelt of a rabbit left behind by a coyote. Etc. Beautiful, isn't it?
The "red in tooth and claw" aspect of our Reality was and remains the biggest thorn in my side since my encounter. Reconciling it with my experience has been largely unsuccessful and frustrating. Separating consciousness (which is the only venue in which such concerns can exist) is what lessens but does not eliminate the pain and frustration. If the goal is the phenomenon of consciousness characterized by agape love, such a venue is necessary. Realizing that we are actually fetal spiritual beings in a physical womb environment provides a different perspective on the import and workings of it all.
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Is being the reason we and everything else exist evidence for or against God?
