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Interesting isn't it. Do you know that Arach claims to be an atheist? Wouldn't you have thought from his post that he was talking about a cosmic mind doing stuff, rather than physics? Or even "Life"?
Incidentally, to use Mystic terminology, he is using Human Beliefs about Pixies rather than looking at their attributes.
Yes, using those arguments, Pixies, Santa and you garden gnome would do just as well.
Yeah, it seems like he thinks all beliefs are equally credible or 'real'. That's only true for the subjective sense the believer has. In that sense belief in god is as real as belief in evolution, but evolution as a model has abundant evidential support while belief in god has none. Evolution provides a means of advancement while god doesn't.
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Originally Posted by Arach Angle
you are spacetime exchanging information to make you.
Hmm. Your statements seem unnecessarily arcane. I exist in spacetime but I'm not spacetime itself. That would be like saying a fish that lives in the ocean is the ocean.
Oh, great, look what you made me do! You made me state something as arcane and circumspect as you!
Somewhat seriously though, things that exist in spacetime are not the same as spacetime itself. We exist within spacetime, but spacetime exists regardless of whether we do or not, so it's unclear to me what your point is.
Yeah, it seems like he thinks all beliefs are equally credible or 'real'. That's only true for the subjective sense the believer has. In that sense belief in god is as real as belief in evolution, but evolution as a model has abundant evidential support while belief in god has none. Evolution provides a means of advancement while god doesn't.
Hmm. Your statements seem unnecessarily arcane. I exist in spacetime but I'm not spacetime itself. That would be like saying a fish that lives in the ocean is the ocean.
Oh, great, look what you made me do! You made me state something as arcane and circumspect as you!
Somewhat seriously though, things that exist in spacetime are not the same as spacetime itself. We exist within spacetime, but spacetime exists regardless of whether we do or not, so it's unclear to me what your point is.
You will have to learn that you are spacetime. What the video I posted.
until that understanding is reached we can't go any further. And that is ok, but tell don't me I am wrong.
But the other atheists do NOT move on They assign all the existing evidence to something else and then demand evidence pretending that we MUST accept their belief about the unknown as the default.
I have always known and respected that you do not agree with my beliefs about God, Arach, but you are objective and have always separated my beliefs from the science. The others refuse to parse them. They conflate and jumble them so they can dismiss the science as woo and hokum.
It happens when we are bound by the scientific method and not faith.
You will have to learn that you are spacetime. What the video I posted.
until that understanding is reached we can't go any further. And that is ok, but tell don't me I am wrong.
Arach, from what I have gathered from your posts and what other say about your posts, you think that we are a small part of a larger system. We are unaware of being part of the larger system, and perhaps the larger system is unaware of us. Can this larger system be defined? Or is it limitless?
During my morning walk with Mr Yap, my grandmothers dog, I came across a 20 Meter long trail of pigeon feathers. At the end of the trail was a circle of feathers, typical for a Sperber, a hawk that feeds on other birds. Once it has killed it's victim, it removes the feathers before eating. But the trail of feathers means that the pigeon was not immediately dead, and had struggled for 20 Meters to fly away while the Sperber removed feathers from the living victim.
I find the idea of an agape god described in religious texts hard to justify having seen that trail of feathers.
Too soon
It always bothered me too that this may have been all designed so that something has to suffer and die for something else to survive.
God wasn’t to stupid in that trees can live off the sun. No killing and no starvation.
Yeah, it seems like he thinks all beliefs are equally credible or 'real'. That's only true for the subjective sense the believer has. In that sense belief in god is as real as belief in evolution, but evolution as a model has abundant evidential support while belief in god has none. Evolution provides a means of advancement while god doesn't.
Hmm. Your statements seem unnecessarily arcane. I exist in spacetime but I'm not spacetime itself. That would be like saying a fish that lives in the ocean is the ocean.
Oh, great, look what you made me do! You made me state something as arcane and circumspect as you!
Somewhat seriously though, things that exist in spacetime are not the same as spacetime itself. We exist within spacetime, but spacetime exists regardless of whether we do or not, so it's unclear to me what your point is.
What the latest science reveals is that everything that exists is a vibratory manifestation of the underlying spacetime field (unified field that I call a consciousness field).
Yeah, it seems like he thinks all beliefs are equally credible or 'real'. That's only true for the subjective sense the believer has. In that sense belief in god is as real as belief in evolution, but evolution as a model has abundant evidential support while belief in god has none. Evolution provides a means of advancement while god doesn't.
Hmm. Your statements seem unnecessarily arcane. I exist in spacetime but I'm not spacetime itself. That would be like saying a fish that lives in the ocean is the ocean.
Oh, great, look what you made me do! You made me state something as arcane and circumspect as you!
Somewhat seriously though, things that exist in spacetime are not the same as spacetime itself. We exist within spacetime, but spacetime exists regardless of whether we do or not, so it's unclear to me what your point is.
sorry loga ... you just don't know what you are talking about. You are not like fish in water. it more like a fish is water and still being a fish.
Interesting isn't it. Do you know that Arach claims to be an atheist? Wouldn't you have thought from his post that he was talking about a cosmic mind doing stuff, rather than physics? Or even "Life"?
Incidentally, to use Mystic terminology, he is using Human Beliefs about Pixies rather than looking at their attributes.
Yes, using those arguments, Pixies, Santa and you garden gnome would do just as well.
listen trans ... you say things from a hiding a position. It really shows your character. But Castro stalin, mao, they all did the same thing. Shun the people that knew what was going on.
there is no dogma that says atheism has to deny everything. A living universe is not "god", despite what your faith says.
you had to run away and hide and toss cheap shots from behind a bush. That really is fundy like. To bad 1/2 descent people were broken by religion enough to buy into "just get out of our way so we can rampage."
we know why you have to hide. If you come out and play ... you know we will have to use the scientific method to evaluate the claims and not your blind faith statement of belief about god.
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