Evidence for soul and spirit (hell, atheist, quote, pray)

[Salty Water]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

I agree. It's why we cannot reach common ground.

There are many christians who think faith is enough evidence.
There are many of us (including me) who think that faith alone is no evidence.

All the faith in the world collectively = 0 evidence.
You can add me to this

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

I was Atheist...your tutelage helped me find God.
Arach was and is Atheist...he presents the best basis for evidence, "Comports With Observations of How The Universe Works".
You both assess things & form your Beliefs with a proper and reasonable perspective.
Many do not hold a proper perspective...they are too consumed by what they think they know...added to not knowing what they don't know. A double whammy.

A double whammy, indeed, Gldn!

[Arach Angle]

we are not as good of disciples as the ones that bought into "its atheism vs theism". They are far better disciples than we are. We just don't have the strength of faith those guys do.

I guess we are doubting Thomas'. We have to see something that matches what we know to buy into it.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by L8Gr8Apost8

You're such a good disciple.

I would caution you not to pick on Gldn, but he's more than capable of dealing with mockers or hecklers on his own.

[Iwasmadenew]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

I agree. It's why we cannot reach common ground.

There are many christians who think faith is enough evidence.
There are many of us (including me) who think that faith alone is no evidence.

I don't have blind faith. I have faith in the evidence.

[elyn02]

I keep seeing the word evidence being used but what are we all looking at?

[L8Gr8Apost8]

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

I would caution you not to pick on Gldn, but he's more than capable of dealing with mockers or hecklers on his own.

Are you worried about me?

[cb2008]

Originally Posted by elyn02

I keep seeing the word evidence being used but what are we all looking at?

And what if we cannot recognize evidence even if it smacks us in the face?
What if we need specialbskills to see it?
What if?

[L8Gr8Apost8]

Originally Posted by Arach Angle

we are not as good of disciples as the ones that bought into "its atheism vs theism". They are far better disciples than we are. We just don't have the strength of faith those guys do.

I guess we are doubting Thomas'. We have to see something that matches what we know to buy into it.

Most atheists are no more anti-theism than theists are. Nearly everyone can appreciate that destructive sects within religion exist. The destructive sects themselves aren't innocent either because they are going around condemning everyone to hell or annihilation. But it's the atheists that your worried about?

[elyn02]

Originally Posted by cb2008

And what if we cannot recognize evidence even if it smacks us in the face?
What if we need specialbskills to see it?
What if?

Then it gives that person who can see this evidence an advantage over the rest of us. But I still do wonder what is this evidence we are looking at.