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You are not the judge of what “most people” can understand. You are not qualified to offer anything to anyone in your own terms a system of thought that you barely understand. If you a some groupies to whom you preach, point them here. That will be the thing to do.
The rest of your post is your own personal battle.
think of a movie. and a projector showing the movie.
everything in the movie comes from the projector.
there is no movie without the projector.
however there is a projector even without the movie.
you acknowledge the movie, let's say everything in the movie is everything, all your universes and multiverses.
what you have yet to acknowledge is the projector which generates the movie.
the movies change, lots of drama and noise and activity.
the prjoector showing the movies does not change.
think of a movie. and a projector showing the movie.
everything in the movie comes from the projector.
there is no movie without the projector.
however there is a projector even without the movie.
you acknowledge the movie, let's say everything in the movie is everything, all your universes and multiverses.
what you have yet to acknowledge is the projector which generates the movie.
the movies change, lots of drama and noise and activity.
the prjoector showing the movies does not change.
actually the projector does not generate anything. it merely projects the movie.
The screen displays the movie which plays out. the screen remains the screen it will never become the movie although it appears to be for the time being. That is the only thing that remains when the lights come on.
Even better, there is no movie.
There are just flashes of light, color and shades on a screen.
A physicist may look aT it and say - there is so and so many lumen of light in such and such spectrum. Or, certain molecular structures of the screen are reflecting certain wave lengths of light, producing certain optical effects.
And so on.
Yet, a person looks at the screen and says - it is a funny comedy or heart breaking drama. A blind person will see nothing and a hypothetical caveman may only see light flashes and colors as, his mental perception of the world is completely different (eg, a famous historical fact that a certain oceanic tribe didn’t “see” ships as it was out of their world concept).
Point to what I am saying is - it is consciousness, that makes a movie, out of basic physical phenomena. Without consciousness, it would have a been nothing but another natural phenomenon.
So is the reality. The physical world, it’s elements, are nothing but a canvas, a screen, consciousness is projecting its designs onto and, momentarily, they are realized into a movie, called reality. In its infinitely immeasurable form of Now.
Even better, there is no movie.
There are just flashes of light, color and shades on a screen.
A physicist may look aT it and say - there is so and so many lumen of light in such and such spectrum. Or, certain molecular structures of the screen are reflecting certain wave lengths of light, producing certain optical effects.
And so on.
Yet, a person looks at the screen and says - it is a funny comedy or heart breaking drama. A blind person will see nothing and a hypothetical caveman may only see light flashes and colors as, his mental perception of the world is completely different (eg, a famous historical fact that a certain oceanic tribe didn’t “see” ships as it was out of their world concept).
Point to what I am saying is - it is consciousness, that makes a movie, out of basic physical phenomena. Without consciousness, it would have a been nothing but another natural phenomenon.
So is the reality. The physical world, it’s elements, are nothing but a canvas, a screen, consciousness is projecting its designs onto and, momentarily, they are realized into a movie, called reality. In its infinitely immeasurable form of Now.
yup. for sure.
i taught survival English for a time to adult immigrants from a place with no printed matter, so they had never seen books or newspapers or
photographs before. so where we look at a photo and see the people and items in the photo. they looked at the photo and it was simply a piece of paper.
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it is what is left when you take everything away.
it is the Source (or Creator) of the everything which just got taken away
When you take everything away, isn't what you have left nothing? But a Nothing with the potential to become (or produce) something.
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here is why it is not "everything."
think of a movie. and a projector showing the movie.
everything in the movie comes from the projector.
there is no movie without the projector.
however there is a projector even without the movie.
you acknowledge the movie, let's say everything in the movie is everything, all your universes and multiverses.
what you have yet to acknowledge is the projector which generates the movie.
the movies change, lots of drama and noise and activity.
the projector showing the movies does not change.
That's the trouble with analogies. Under scrutiny, they can often break down. Santa as an analogy of God is of course an exception, being watertight.
When you take everything away, isn't what you have left nothing? But a Nothing with the potential to become (or produce) something.
what's left is that which creates everything. not just pure potential, but the ability to create, produce, and project from that pure potential.
it identifies the problem with those who claim that divinity is just the sum total of everything. the inaccurate claim that a bunch of stuff = god, and since a bunch of stuff "changes" then god changes because god is simply the sum total of a bunch of stuff. the inaccurate claim that god is "alive" because in the bunch of stuff are "alive humans and animals and plants" as part of the bunch of stuff.
creating life is no more being a life, than you baking cookies makes you a cookie, or you building a house makes you a house.
generic you, not any one person posting individually.
what's left is that which creates everything. not just pure potential, but the ability to create, produce, and project from that pure potential.
it identifies the problem with those who claim that divinity is just the sum total of everything. the inaccurate claim that a bunch of stuff = god, and since a bunch of stuff "changes" then god changes because god is simply the sum total of a bunch of stuff. the inaccurate claim that god is "alive" because in the bunch of stuff are "alive humans and animals and plants" as part of the bunch of stuff.
creating life is no more being a life, than you baking cookies makes you a cookie, or you building a house makes you a house.
generic you, not any one person posting individually.
But it's the same problem. Where did the ability come from? A potentiality is a hypothetically inherent natural ability to become the very basic stiff of physics without anything needing to make it. Otherwise anything that is there requires a maker.
Essentially, 'God' needs an origin. Something from nothing - or rather nothing that can act like something - doesn't.
It may not be The answer, but it is An answer. A Creator that exists without being created isn't. It's merely ignoring the problem and saying its' been solved.
When you take everything away, isn't what you have left nothing? But a Nothing with the potential to become (or produce) something.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
what's left is that which creates everything. not just pure potential, but the ability to create, produce, and project from that pure potential.
That is the very definition of consciousness as reflected in the phenomenon of imagination.
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Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER
But it's the same problem. Where did the ability come from? A potentiality is a hypothetically inherent natural ability to become the very basic stuff of physics without anything needing to make it. Otherwise, anything that is there requires a maker.
Essentially, 'God' needs an origin. Something from nothing - or rather nothing that can act like something - doesn't.
It may not be The answer, but it is An answer. A Creator that exists without being created isn't. It's merely ignoring the problem and saying its' been solved.
When the maker is a quantum foam of consciousness the origin issue disappears along with the silly infinite regress.
But it's the same problem. Where did the ability come from? A potentiality is a hypothetically inherent natural ability to become the very basic stiff of physics without anything needing to make it. Otherwise anything that is there requires a maker.
Essentially, 'God' needs an origin. Something from nothing - or rather nothing that can act like something - doesn't.
It may not be The answer, but it is An answer. A Creator that exists without being created isn't. It's merely ignoring the problem and saying its' been solved.
There is no maker. Brhman exists, that is its essence. It is infinity forever. It has no cause, it is the cause, it does not create anything.
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That's the trouble with analogies. Under scrutiny, they can often break down. Santa as an analogy of God is of course an exception, being watertight.
