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Per Advaita/non-dualism Brhman, the cosmic Consciousness is without cause, eternal, infinite. It also asserts that in our essence, our conciousness/atma, we are of the same substance and thus infinite and without cause.
But how do we know Brhman and at the microcosm level Atma are both eternal?
One thing about being as ancient as the Vedic scriptures are is that every possible doubt has been raised by the thinkers themselves and have also been resolved through logical and systematic reasoning.
There are three ways by which destruction of Brhman/atma is possible.
By self induced destruction. The presence of our Conciousness is recognized by us from the time we become conscious and never stops through all time, space, and state of being. So that is impossible.
By destruction of its parts. Consciousness has no parts, is a homogenous whole. So that is not possible.
By destroying its support structure. Consciousness is not supported by anything, it has no cause.
Thus Consciousness is eternal.
Aside that there is no reason to believe that a consciousness exists without a brain for it to operate within, any more than a heartbeat can exist without a heart, and we were never without a heartbeat from the time we are born until we die (unless the shock treatment gets it going again) but that does not make it eternal, I don't see that any of that follows or is logical, but is just the usual faithclaims trying to make evidence fit it.
Aside that there is no reason to believe that a consciousness exists without a brain for it to operate within, any more than a heartbeat can exist without a heart, and we were never without a heartbeat from the time we are born until we die (unless the shock treatment gets it going again) but that does not make it eternal, I don't see that any of that follows or is logical, but is just the usual faithclaims trying to make evidence fit it.
the argument is not really about the awareness existing outside of the brain. The issue is how tied to together is the system we are in.
Our brains are nodes of awareness in the system. The system around us is acting more like a unit that individual pieces. Is the system aware and how much of it is. That's the question. "it is not" is a faith claim.
Exactly like you are aware and your awareness in your brain.
I rather thought ot WAS about consciousness outside the individual mind and being (in fact 'God' or whatever regional variant is being used) very much what Mystic is arguing. But you are entitled to post your take on it and we'll see what the other posters who have an interest in the subject have to say about it.
Aside that there is no reason to believe that a consciousness exists without a brain for it to operate within, any more than a heartbeat can exist without a heart, and we were never without a heartbeat from the time we are born until we die (unless the shock treatment gets it going again) but that does not make it eternal, I don't see that any of that follows or is logical, but is just the usual faithclaims trying to make evidence fit it.
That you are posting here is an indication that you want a conversation or is it simply your denial of what exists?
the argument is not really about the awareness existing outside of the brain. The issue is how tied to together is the system we are in.
Our brains are nodes of awareness in the system. The system around us is acting more like a unit that individual pieces. Is the system aware and how much of it is. That's the question. "it is not" is a faith claim.
Exactly like you are aware and your awareness in your brain.
Consciousness is infinite and is not bound by anything, much less your brain. Your brain is biological and dies when you do.
I have no idea what your second paragraph is about.
I rather thought ot WAS about consciousness outside the individual mind and being (in fact 'God' or whatever regional variant is being used) very much what Mystic is arguing. But you are entitled to post your take on it and we'll see what the other posters who have an interest in the subject have to say about it.
Obviously, I agree with you, Arq, that this refers to my view of consciousness and Reality which parallels Advaita without the esoteric misuse of conceptual language, like infinity and eternity, as unchanging or timelessness. Infinity and eternity are equivalent conceptually. Infinity is from mathematics and essentially means numerically boundless quantity and eternity is temporal and means boundless time. Neither concept implies anything remotely static as used in the esoteric literature to mean devoid of increasing quantity (unchanging) or devoid of increasing time (timeless). The terms are equally applicable to a quantity that increases without bound and time that continues without bound, contrary to the Advaita usage.
Per Advaita/non-dualism Brhman, the cosmic Consciousness is without cause, eternal, infinite. It also asserts that in our essence, our conciousness/atma, we are of the same substance and thus infinite and without cause.
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Originally Posted by cb2008
That you are posting here is an indication that you want a conversation or is it simply your denial of what exists?
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Originally Posted by cb2008
Consciousness is infinite and is not bound by anything, much less your brain. Your brain is biological and dies when you do.
I have no idea what your second paragraph is about.
You started out telling us what Avaita asserts.
Then you say; "denial of what exists?" followed by "Consciousness is infinite and is not bound by anything".
How do we get from Avaita asserts consciousness is eternal to Consciousness is infinite?
Eternal does not equate to infinite. Eternal refers to time and infinite refers to size. I'm thinking you meant eternal?
Whichever you meant, how do you know consciousness is infinite/eternal and is not bound by anything?
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