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it is the very first hit in google for "holy definition"
it lists definition of holy.
it lists synonyms for holy ------> reverence and veneration are both listed
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You can revere things that are not holy. Stop twisting things.
The easiest way to derail a discussion is to take it into the weeds so that the central meaning is lost. There is a dedicated group of people who use that tactic for the very purpose, and engaging with them is like fighting with a pig. You get dirty, the pig has all the fun. They know what they are doing, it is not about meaning.
Holy is a synonym. The holiness is not in the object it is in the mind. What is considered holy may not be holy to me but I respect their sentiment and treat it accordingly. Holy is intimately connected to religion and theism. The only response a true atheist will have for the sentiment is denial. It cannot be otherwise.
Why an atheist would want to engage with theists and keep denying them can be only one thing - their fear that they may be wrong. If everyone would just shut up about god, prayer, blessing, karma, sacred then they can sleep at night.
You can revere things that are not holy. Stop twisting things.
the word usage under discussion in posts 367-368-369 is in the context of venerating the dead, in the context of religion and spirituality.
If a mindset rejects the sacred and holy altogether, then they typically are not able to follow or understand what is being discussed.
The mindset which strips removes rejects denies and discards the sacred and holy, has also effectively removed itself from coherent discussion of the sacred and holy.
Last edited by Tzaphkiel; 01-09-2023 at 07:23 AM..
The easiest way to derail a discussion is to take it into the weeds so that the central meaning is lost. There is a dedicated group of people who use that tactic for the very purpose, and engaging with them is like fighting with a pig. You get dirty, the pig has all the fun. They know what they are doing, it is not about meaning.
Holy is a synonym. The holiness is not in the object it is in the mind. What is considered holy may not be holy to me but I respect their sentiment and treat it accordingly. Holy is intimately connected to religion and theism. The only response a true atheist will have for the sentiment is denial. It cannot be otherwise. Why an atheist would want to engage with theists and keep denying them can be only one thing - their fear that they may be wrong. If everyone would just shut up about god, prayer, blessing, karma, sacred then they can sleep at night.
And here's your little sneaky technique -- I wasn't defining the word holy. That's your dishonesty in the conversation.
And what I bolded could be just as true in the reverse.
But, as you stated, you are also welcome to "just shut up about god, prayer, blessing, karma, sacred then [you] can sleep at night". In the old days we would say that perhaps you ought to take a little of your own medicine. Instead, you always think the rules should be different for those who don't agree with you.
the word usage under discussion in posts 367-368-369 is in the context of venerating the dead, in the context of religion and spirituality.
If a mindset rejects the sacred and holy altogether, then they typically are not able to follow or understand what is being discussed. The mindset which strips removes rejects denies and discards the sacred and holy, has also effectively removed itself from coherent discussion of the sacred and holy.
Don't tell me what I meant in my post 368.
In terms of the bolded, I'll respond with the following:
If a mindset constantly adores the woo, then they typically are not able to follow or understand the rational when it is being discussed. The mindset which strips removes rejects denies and discards the rational, has also effectively removed itself from coherent discussion of the rational.
[Rational: Rational thinking is a process. It refers to the ability to think with reason. It encompasses the ability to draw sensible conclusions from facts, logic and data. In simple words, if your thoughts are based on facts and not emotions, it is called rational thinking.]
In terms of the bolded, I'll respond with the following:
If a mindset constantly adores the woo, then they typically are not able to follow or understand the rational when it is being discussed. The mindset which strips removes rejects denies and discards the rational, has also effectively removed itself from coherent discussion of the rational.
[Rational: Rational thinking is a process. It refers to the ability to think with reason. It encompasses the ability to draw sensible conclusions from facts, logic and data. In simple words, if your thoughts are based on facts and not emotions, it is called rational thinking.]
Spiritual is not fact based rational thinking though and that is what this thread is about.
Spiritual is beyond that.
In terms of the bolded, I'll respond with the following:
If a mindset constantly adores the woo, then they typically are not able to follow or understand the rational when it is being discussed. The mindset which strips removes rejects denies and discards the rational, has also effectively removed itself from coherent discussion of the rational.
[Rational: Rational thinking is a process. It refers to the ability to think with reason. It encompasses the ability to draw sensible conclusions from facts, logic and data. In simple words, if your thoughts are based on facts and not emotions, it is called rational thinking.]
This thread is about the difference between spirituality and religion and whether there is one, and it is asked in a forum called spirituality and religion.
The question in the topic is not if it involves rational thinking or not, or what is rational thinking. The question is based on the principles all spiritual people agree upon: what is rational is in the mind of the believer, between him and his sacred texts, between him and his divinity.
If one has any problem with his rationality and it causes harm to him or others, he should seek professional help.
Only to those that need tangible proof of any idea.
Even scientists don't dismiss things they can't prove...like the sixth sense. They are starting to come around on that one because there is still so much we don't know about the brain and it's functions.
If a mindset rejects the sacred and holy altogether, then they typically are not able to follow or understand what is being discussed.
The mindset which strips removes rejects denies and discards the sacred and holy, has also effectively removed itself from coherent discussion of the sacred and holy.
Considering you (plural) can not decide among yourselves what is sacred and holy, it would appear the religious and spiritual also have this problem.
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