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Let's see...I was brought up a methodist, converted to catholicism, and still went to church at least occasionally until 6 years ago (age 67). I know my way around christianity.
Perhaps I’m wrong here, but I believe the difference to be that your relationship and “knowing your way around” was centered on all these denominations of organized religion, not on any personal relationship with Jesus or God…..
That’s what I believe Mystic is pointing to, and it appears atheists have a hard time reconciling that there can be a personal spiritual relationship and spiritual maturing via different portals or pathways to God that is not a relationship with organized religion. Although organized religion CAN be a doorway for some. Atheists don’t seem to be able to separate the two.
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Perhaps I’m wrong here, but I believe the difference to be that your relationship and “knowing your way around” was centered on all these denominations of organized religion, not on any personal relationship with Jesus or God…..
That’s what I believe Mystic is pointing to, and it appears atheists have a hard time reconciling that there can be a personal spiritual relationship and spiritual maturing via different portals or pathways to God that is not a relationship with organized religion. Although organized religion CAN be a doorway for some. Atheists don’t seem to be able to separate the two.
What I highlighted (color)...what is your ACTUAL evidence for that. Or is it a presumption on your part?
Let's see...I was brought up a methodist, converted to catholicism, and still went to church at least occasionally until 6 years ago (age 67). I know my way around christianity.
Some men have lived their whole lives with their wives and know their way around them also. And how many of those women had died with broken hearts.
Love, my friend. Realizing the "mind of Christ" is more than knowing your way around Christianity.
Some men have lived their whole lives with their wives and know their way around them also. And how many of those women had died with broken hearts.
Love, my friend. Realizing the "mind of Christ" is more than knowing your way around Christianity.
Considering the things that you said yesterday that are established facts about American history, as compared to rather fantastical things you have said about christianity, I don't think that we can rely at all on you knowing and interpreting for us the "mind of christ". That's way above you pay grade.
And, on a side note, do you think only women have broken hearts. How very naïve.
And one more thing...your frequent tossing in of the word "friend" in some of your posts has virtually no meaning.
What I highlighted (color)...what is your ACTUAL evidence for that. Or is it a presumption on your part?
My actual evidence is my personal experiencing of it.
Where is your actual evidence there’s a “me” a “pheterol” that is looking out of your eyes and experiencing reality?
Can you find or locate that “me”?
If so, where is the evidence of its location? Is it inside the body, and if so does it have physical weight or matter attached to it? If not, what makes it exist? Can you see it under a microscope? Is the “me” a separated part of consciousness, and if so where is the evidence of that?
No, there’s no actual evidence to the “me” —your actual evidence is because you experience it……
It’s empirical knowledge/evidence.
Last edited by mountainrose; 01-01-2023 at 10:05 AM..
My actual evidence is my personal experiencing of it.
Where is your actual evidence there’s a “me” a “pheterol” that is looking out of your eyes and experiencing reality?
Can you find or locate that “me”?
If so, where is the evidence of its location? Is it inside the body, and if so does it have physical weight or matter attached to it? If not, what makes it exist? Can you see it under a microscope? Is the “me” a separated part of consciousness, and if so where is the evidence of that?
No, there’s no actual evidence to the “me” —your actual evidence is because you experience it……
It’s empirical knowledge/evidence.
I am glad you brought this line of thought up. It kicks the level of discussion to a higher state.
I am glad you brought this line of thought up. It kicks the level of discussion to a higher state.
Don't we all experience the "me"?
The point is there is no EVIDENCE of a “me” besides the actual experiencing of it.
That’s the same with the millions of people experiencing God or Jesus or Buddha nature or the Self or the Holy Spirit.
The evidence is in our personal experience which many atheists want to discount as mere fantasy solely because we can’t show them actual evidence.
Does a blind person have the right to say that there is no such thing as the color orange because they’ve never experienced it? To them it’s not a reality, but to billions of others it is.
Same with God….
The point is there is no EVIDENCE of a “me” besides the actual experiencing of it.
That’s the same with the millions of people experiencing God or Jesus or Buddha nature or the Self or the Holy Spirit.
The evidence is in our personal experience which many atheists want to discount as mere fantasy solely because we can’t show them actual evidence.
Does a blind person have the right to say that there is no such thing as the color orange because they’ve never experienced it? To them it’s not a reality, but to billions of others it is.
Same with God….
Experiencing the "me" is a universal experience. It's like the feeling of cold or the seeing of the sky. We can attest to it collectively. Experiencing the Holy Spirit or the "mind of Christ" is something else. This argument for the existence of God is not defensible. There must be tens of millions, billions even, who have lived and died without any spiritual experience and were none the worse for it. The fact is, life is pretty crappy for almost all humanity. People are more than happy if they could get three square meals and not get bombed out of existence because crazy politicians pushed for war.
We need to articulate the need for seeking the truth about life a better way.
Perhaps I’m wrong here, but I believe the difference to be that your relationship and “knowing your way around” was centered on all these denominations of organized religion, not on any personal relationship with Jesus or God…..
That’s what I believe Mystic is pointing to, and it appears atheists have a hard time reconciling that there can be a personal spiritual relationship and spiritual maturing via different portals or pathways to God that is not a relationship with organized religion. Although organized religion CAN be a doorway for some. Atheists don’t seem to be able to separate the two.
In my experience, believers say there is one prescribed way to reach God. Their way. Atheists just think you are all equally wrong.
In my experience, believers say there is one prescribed way to reach God. Their way. Atheists just think you are all equally wrong.
that may be your experience.
however it demonstrates that you are unaware that there are many paths of religion and spirituality which do NOT say that, and instead recognize that there is NOT one single way, but divinity is accessible and available (and within) everyone regardless of the path they may take.
It goes hand in hand with not proselytizing.
whereas those paths which claim there is only one way, tend to be the paths which proselytize.
now you know.
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