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Since wants are LEARNED "desired solutions" to INNATE needs of course they can be unwise, It is also why wants vary so much. Our needs are not wise or unwise because they simply ARE!
Since wants are LEARNED "desired solutions" to INNATE needs of course they can be unwise, It is also why wants vary so much. Our needs are not wise or unwise because they simply ARE!
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Just no.
Just Yes! Our needs are what we require to obtain and maintain homeostasis. As sentient creatures, we seek psychological as well as biological "homeostasis" (balance). What we have learned to seek (want) to obtain that objective is what varies enormously and can be unwise! There are wise and unwise ways (wants) to obtain the homeostatic satisfactions (needs) we seek.
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Since wants are LEARNED "desired solutions" to INNATE needs of course they can be unwise, It is also why wants vary so much. Our needs are not wise or unwise because they simply ARE!
Just Yes! Our needs are what we require to obtain and maintain homeostasis. As sentient creatures, we seek psychological as well as biological "homeostasis" (balance). What we have learned to seek (want) to obtain that objective is what varies enormously and can be unwise! There are wise and unwise ways (wants) to obtain the homeostatic satisfactions (needs) we seek.
There are men who feel the need to kill. To be adulterers. To...on and on. Those are unwise needs.
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There are men who feel the need to kill. To be adulterers. To...on and on. Those are unwise needs.
They WANT to kill, Phet because to them it is what will satisfy the psychological imbalance they feel for "whatever." Adulterers WANT to satisfy their sexual drive without regard to its effects on their spouse or others. Both are WANTS they have learned will satisfy their inner imbalances (psychological or biological) whatever they may be.
They WANT to kill, Phet because to them it is what will satisfy the psychological imbalance they feel for "whatever." Adulterers WANT to satisfy their sexual drive without regard to its effects on their spouse or others. Both are WANTS they have learned will satisfy their inner imbalances (psychological or biological) whatever they may be.
Right. One can never teach or preach about divinity to someone until they are ready to receive it. And it is smart to question why anyone is trying to sell you something you have never needed or wanted. I am not sure god belief is the default. Children are taught to pray, are told mythological stories, taught how to worship, taught the language of the spiritual texts. As the grow up they may choose to stop doing all that or develop their spiritual seeking. Spiritual seeking is a want, a need to be fulfilled.
I agree. I was focusing more on the behavior of believing in things in general being a default human behavior. Believing in a god just happens to be one of them for many people.
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There are other things that humans do -- sex as just one example -- that are 'wants', 'needs to be fulfilled'...and it demonstrates that all those wants and needs are not always wise.
This is an interesting comment, especially the exchange that occurs after this post. People have wants and needs. That is a fact. Humans can judge those wants and needs as wise or unwise depending on outcomes. Some of us can even guess that a certain want or need can potentially lead a person down a destructive path.
I have my own way to measure if a want or a need is unwise. Does the want require somebody else to believe in what I do? If yes, then it is unwise.
I agree. I was focusing more on the behavior of believing in things in general being a default human behavior. Believing in a god just happens to be one of them for many people.
This is an interesting comment, especially the exchange that occurs after this post. People have wants and needs. That is a fact. Humans can judge those wants and needs as wise or unwise depending on outcomes. Some of us can even guess that a certain want or need can potentially lead a person down a destructive path.
I have my own way to measure if a want or a need is unwise. Does the want require somebody else to believe in what I do? If yes, then it is unwise.
I agree beliefs in general can be default, UNTIL we learn other things that make us question our beliefs.Then beliefs can change. I would say changing belief is the more natural thing for human, who probably are the only aspect of nature that believes.
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Originally Posted by phetaroi There are men who feel the need to kill. To be adulterers. To...on and on. Those are unwise needs.
Our wants and needs reflect our tendencies and mental and emotional state. Seeking spirituality arises from maturity and a healthy mind that is not suffering. The kind of wants and needs for sex and killing ??! These are not merely unwise, the might require counseling.
This is an interesting comment, especially the exchange that occurs after this post. People have wants and needs. That is a fact. Humans can judge those wants and needs as wise or unwise depending on outcomes. Some of us can even guess that a certain want or need can potentially lead a person down a destructive path.
I have my own way to measure if a want or a need is unwise. Does the want require somebody else to believe in what I do? If yes, then it is unwise.
Our wants and needs reflect our tendencies and mental and emotional state. Seeking spirituality arises from maturity and a healthy mind that is not suffering. The kind of wants and needs for sex and killing ??! These are not merely unwise, the might require counseling.
It's nice that we can agree on something occasionally.
Very erudite rebuttals, Phet. Clearly thisissue is above your pay grade. You are a firm believer in cause/effect yet you dismiss the cause of want as stemming for innate imbalances in psychological or biological functioning, (i.e, needs) Wants and needs are NOT some vague and arbitrary distinction between our motivations. They are a sequence of cause (need) and effect (want) that is either conditioned, learned, or instinctual.
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??! These are not merely unwise, the might require counseling.
