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'Scripture' presents an ancient cosmology that science has proven is not true. For instance, according to biblical 'scripture' there is a hard solid dome covering the earth and that the sun, moon, and stars are in that solid dome as illustrated in the images in the link below.
Science has proven that the biblical cosmology is not true. So the question becomes, Will you accept what science has proven, or will you reject what science has proven because of your religious beliefs?
Of course we discussed on this in another topic. The dome is how the people referred to the sky/atmosphere. They weren't wrong. That is just how they saw it and referred to it. As to the history of the universe according to science vs the history of the universe according to the scriptures, that is a different story. The Bible can't be wrong there.
As you know, I don't accept the Big Bang theory concerning the origins of the universe, and the cosmic evolution of space.
I feel sorry for the religious who truly believe they have it all figured out because of some ancient book that has no real relevance to life in the 21st century.
But, no need to for you to rely on science. Don't ever take any more medicines. Don't ever go to a hospital. Don't rely on science at all. Please.
Oh please, limitations are the human condition. But you believe the musings of our primitive ancient ancestors are our best source of knowledge about Reality???? I know our Reality itself is consciousness. I can believe their musings were the result of inspirations they tried to interpret and explain as best they could given their lack of valid knowledge of Reality. But come on! You are sadly mistaken if you think we have not evolved our capability to understand Reality in two millennia and counting.
Of course we discussed on this in another topic. The dome is how the people referred to the sky/atmosphere. They weren't wrong. That is just how they saw it and referred to it. As to the history of the universe according to science vs the history of the universe according to the scriptures, that is a different story. The Bible can't be wrong there.
As you know, I don't accept the Big Bang theory concerning the origins of the universe, and the cosmic evolution of space.
Apparently you are missing the point. The Bible expresses the mistaken view of the cosmos that was held by ancient peoples and presents it as being true. They were wrong and the Bible is wrong.
Apparently you are missing the point. The Bible expresses the mistaken view of the cosmos that was held by ancient peoples and presents it as being true. They were wrong and the Bible is wrong.
The people aren't wrong concerning the history as presented in the scriptures. (And they weren't "wrong" concerning the sky either) I believe it is scientists who are wrong concerning the history of the cosmos. Their analysis is based on observation from this earth, even observation coming from light so far away that seemingly takes billions of years to reach our eyes. If the premise of our understanding is wrong, then just about every reasoning we have will be wrong after it, especially concerning origins.
There was a time when cosmologists of the past thought our universe always existed as it was in a way. Then observation reversed this due to the expansion of the universe. We say if the universe is expanding, everything had to have been closer together, even a single point. Yet if we accept the universe will continue to expand, there will be a day where the light from distant galaxies will no longer reach the observer. For the observer of that day, his science will tell him the universe has always been. Because his galaxy will be the only one around. This is the limitations of science.
The people aren't wrong concerning the history as presented in the scriptures. (And they weren't "wrong" concerning the sky either) I believe it is scientists who are wrong concerning the history of the cosmos. Their analysis is based on observation from this earth, even observation coming from light so far away that seemingly takes billions of years to reach our eyes. If the premise of our understanding is wrong, then just about every reasoning we have will be wrong after it, especially concerning origins.
There was a time when cosmologists of the past thought our universe always existed as it was in a way. Then observation reversed this due to the expansion of the universe. We say if the universe is expanding, everything had to have been closer together, even a single point. Yet if we accept the universe will continue to expand, there will be a day where the light from distant galaxies will no longer reach the observer. For the observer of that day, his science will tell him the universe has always been. Because his galaxy will be the only one around. This is the limitations of science.
Did you go to high school? Did you take basic earth science, probably in the 9th grade. What levels of science courses did you take in college?
The people aren't wrong concerning the history as presented in the scriptures. (And they weren't "wrong" concerning the sky either) I believe it is scientists who are wrong concerning the history of the cosmos. Their analysis is based on observation from this earth, even observation coming from light so far away that seemingly takes billions of years to reach our eyes. If the premise of our understanding is wrong, then just about every reasoning we have will be wrong after it, especially concerning origins.
There was a time when cosmologists of the past thought our universe always existed as it was in a way. Then observation reversed this due to the expansion of the universe. We say if the universe is expanding, everything had to have been closer together, even a single point. Yet if we accept the universe will continue to expand, there will be a day where the light from distant galaxies will no longer reach the observer. For the observer of that day, his science will tell him the universe has always been. Because his galaxy will be the only one around. This is the limitations of science.
The ancient Hebrews, as well as the other ancient Near Eastern peoples were absolutely wrong about their concept of the cosmos. The sun, moon, and stars do NOT reside in a solid dome that covers the earth and which rests upon pillars (mountains) at the edge of the world. If a person believes something which is not true then their belief is wrong. Yours is a silly attempt to defend the inerrancy of the Bible. There is no solid dome covering the earth. Just ask any astronaut who has gone out into space.
I feel sorry for the scientists who truly believe the scientific method as being our best way of knowing the truth of all reality. They will always be learning, but never come to the knowledge of the truth.
But Scripture teaches these things will be revealed to the humble and the children of Yahweh. It states God has hidden these things from the wise, but revealed them to babes. If I don't fully comprehend the scientific method, that's alright because that method will never come to the complete answers behind the questions of our universe and world.
Oh please, limitations are the human condition. But you believe the musings of our primitive ancient ancestors are our best source of knowledge about Reality???? I know our Reality itself is consciousness. I can believe their musings were the result of inspirations they tried to interpret and explain as best they could given their lack of valid knowledge of Reality. But come on! You are sadly mistaken if you think we have not evolved our capability to understand Reality in two millennia and counting.
The ancient Hebrews, as well as the other ancient Near Eastern peoples were absolutely wrong about their concept of the cosmos. The sun, moon, and stars do NOT reside in a solid dome that covers the earth and which rests upon pillars (mountains) at the edge of the world. If a person believes something which is not true then their belief is wrong. Yours is a silly attempt to defend the inerrancy of the Bible. There is no solid dome covering the earth. Just ask any astronaut who has gone out into space.
people today, probably including yourself, use the phrases "sunrise" and "sunset."
the words sunrise and sunset are widely published in books and newspapers and encyclopedias. charts are published showing the geometry angle and position of the sun showing it as low in the sky or high in the sky. This information is propagated and used by sailors to navigate, and farmers and gardeners for planting.
therefore people today, yourself included believe that the sun moves and the earth does not. this is widely documented.
see how that logic is flawed?
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Compared to the general population, my knowledge of science is pretty decent.
