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When someone claims they don't believe in God, I wonder if...
1. They don't believe in the Sky Grandpa in the Old or New Testaments... or any religious doctrine's definition of God
2. They don't believe in anything beyond the 5 senses... & have a hard time imagining.
3. They don't realize the power of belief... & that they do believe in many illusions, they just may not be aware they are illusional.
Well I know when I say it I am saying that "I see no argument, evidence, data or reasons to lend credence to the idea that there exists a non-human intelligence responsible for the creation and/or subsequent maintenance of our universe."
No one has ever described to me (yourself included) any arguments, evidence data OR reasons to think such an entity exists. I therefore do not think such an entity exists. Simples.
If you simply want to come on to a thread like this and redefine god to mean things like "art and love" then I have no interest in that. We already have words for these things. The words are "art" and "love". Those words are perfectly serviceable. I do not need to take the word "god" and use it to talk of those things instead... while pretending that the history and metaphysics associated with that word simply magically go away.
If you can truly define God, you can control God. I would not place my trust in a god that I can control.
This appears on the face of it to be a loose and unsupported claim. Why do you believe that if one can 'truly define God' (I suppose you mean understand exactly what It, He or She is) we humans can then control it. We can define storms, Volcanoes and earthquakes but we cannot control them.
I think you have to explain this as you are apparently using it as a reason why one need not and indeed should not 'define' God and indeed not defining God is a prerequisite of believing in a God. If you cannot or will not justify your claim, we must reject it as an invalid and unsupported theist claim.
The God people believe in is just a mental construct.
There's a very good reason why God usually hates and likes all of the same things his believers hate and like. These things can vary from god to god and religion to religion, of course.
Yes, you only put your trust in a god that controls you, right? Not to worry...There is no god except the imaginary ones invented by men.
That's not what I said. God controls the universe, yes, but He also gave man free will. We're not robots. Man has made a complete mess of this world. But thankfully, God has provided an antidote.
This appears on the face of it to be a loose and unsupported claim. Why do you believe that if one can 'truly define God' (I suppose you mean understand exactly what It, He or She is) we humans can then control it. We can define storms, Volcanoes and earthquakes but we cannot control them.
I think you have to explain this as you are apparently using it as a reason why one need not and indeed should not 'define' God and indeed not defining God is a prerequisite of believing in a God. If you cannot or will not justify your claim, we must reject it as an invalid and unsupported theist claim.
How can someone completely define a Supreme Being? Please be the first to do so, and I might consider whether what you say is valid.
I never cease to be amazed at the dishonest craftiness of theists.
I asked you to explain why being able to define a god would mean that one could control it. Instead you ask me to define a 'supreme being' and if I can't you apparently don't have to answer.
If you claim that being able to define a god enables one to control it, you must have reasons why you say that and I'm asking you to explain your reasoning. That neither you or I are actually able to produce any such meaningful definition is neither here nor there.
That's not what I said. God controls the universe, yes, but He also gave man free will. We're not robots. Man has made a complete mess of this world. But thankfully, God has provided an antidote.
That's not what I said. God controls the universe, yes, but He also gave man free will. We're not robots. Man has made a complete mess of this world. But thankfully, God has provided an antidote.
Either this "god" of yours controls the universe or he does not. Free will, as you imply, would take the world of man out of his control thus negating your assertion of his control.
This antidote that you claim does not seem to have had much of an actual effect. What's the problem?
I never cease to be amazed at the dishonest craftiness of theists.
I asked you to explain why being able to define a god would mean that one could control it. Instead you ask me to define a 'supreme being' and if I can't you apparently don't have to answer.
If you claim that being able to define a god enables one to control it, you must have reasons why you say that and I'm asking you to explain your reasoning. That neither you or I are actually able to produce any such meaningful definition is neither here nor there.
No deceit or craftiness on my part. To be able to define a God-- to completely explain the vastness of His Being, His omnipotence, is impossible. If we were to comprehensively and definitively define the Almighty is to put yourself on the same level as God, thus, you ARE God, and thus, you are able to control Him through manipulation. The pot doesn't control the potter.
Either this "god" of yours controls the universe or he does not. Free will, as you imply, would take the world of man out of his control thus negating your assertion of his control.
This antidote that you claim does not seem to have had much of an actual effect. What's the problem?
The problem is inherent sin in man, and all the subsequent problems it has caused (wars, disrespect for other people, crime, etc.) The antidote, in my opinion, is Jesus Christ.
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