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Old 12-01-2011, 06:33 AM
 
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Your so called...Messianic Jews....are real blood line Jews that can trace their's bloodline back to Abraham...They are Christian JEWS and just as much Jewish as the Jews In Judaism.
The Messianic Jews are Southern Baptists masquerading as Jews.

You may be confusing them with the meshuga Jews for Jesus.
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Old 12-01-2011, 06:36 AM
 
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This is NOT positive Walter....if a people think they are special relative to everyone else, it will undoubtedly cause negative attitudes ....which are easy to justify because charity is then subject to attitude on behalf of the ones who think they are special....they will be inclined to help themselves only....is this part of that law? Is this the direction by Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon ? seems surprising...Maybe I'm mis-understanding something again...

And Christians do the same thing. They say they have a new covenant through Jesus and it makes all others void. How is that positive?

The covenant of the Jews is our covenant to be a people who have a covenant that was given to us at Mt Sinai. We don't say we are right and all others are wrong or headed to hell.

We just believe that this is our covenant. It does not make us better.
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Old 12-01-2011, 06:40 AM
 
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Your so called...Messianic Jews....are real blood line Jews that can trace their's bloodline back to Abraham...They are Christian JEWS and just as much Jewish as the Jews In Judaism.

Many Messianics are not Jewish at all. Messianic congregations are a mixed bag with Jew and Gentile worshipping together.

There may be Jewish people who attend messianic congregations but they have left Judaism and become Christian.

Messianic Judaism is simply Christianity that masquerades as Judaism.
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Old 12-01-2011, 08:44 AM
 
Location: The State Of California
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The Messianic Jews are Southern Baptists masquerading as Jews.

You may be confusing them with the meshuga Jews for Jesus.
No we all know that's not true.......
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Old 12-01-2011, 08:52 AM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Many Messianics are not Jewish at all.

They all are JEWUSH but bloodline (NOT RELIGIOUS WORSHIP) this is what the simple truth is....

Messianic congregations are a mixed bag with Jew and Gentile worshipping together.

Yes that's true.

There may be Jewish people who attend messianic congregations but they have left Judaism and become Christian.

you are right....

Messianic Judaism is simply Christianity that masquerades as Judaism.


That is a half truth , they consider themselves completed JEWS and many have relatives who where KILLED IN THE OVENS OF GERMANY.
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Old 12-01-2011, 09:20 AM
 
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That is a half truth , they consider themselves completed JEWS and many have relatives who where KILLED IN THE OVENS OF GERMANY.

And so do many non Jewish people. Germans killed many many people Jew and Gentile.

The folks who are messianic Jews are both Jew and Gentile and they are not part of Judaism, they are part of Christianity.

They may see themselves as "completed Jews" but they commit apostasy and have turned their backs on the Jewish people and faith.
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Old 12-01-2011, 10:53 AM
 
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"Completed Jews." I vote for that as the most offensive phrase in this thread.
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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[quote=Jazzymom;21932938]And so do many non Jewish people. Germans killed many many people Jew and Gentile.

The folks who are messianic Jews are both Jew and Gentile and they are not part of Judaism, they are part of Christianity.

They may see themselves as "completed Jews" but they commit apostasy and have turned their backs on the Jewish people and faith.[/quo

They can not in any way change their's bloodline , because their's bloodline goes all the way back to ABRAHAM making them JEWISH.
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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They can not in any way change their's bloodline , because their's bloodline goes all the way back to ABRAHAM making them JEWISH.
Even if true, that would make them bad Jews who were violating the 2nd Mitzvah (Commandment) prohibition against idolatry, and thus, if they were Jewish, could not get into Heaven..
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:34 AM
 
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And so do many non Jewish people. Germans killed many many people Jew and Gentile.

The folks who are messianic Jews are both Jew and Gentile and they are not part of Judaism, they are part of Christianity.

They may see themselves as "completed Jews" but they commit apostasy and have turned their backs on the Jewish people and faith.[/quo

They can not in any way change their's bloodline , because their's bloodline goes all the way back to ABRAHAM making them JEWISH.
They can marry non Jews and have non Jewish children, which ends the Jewish bloodlines. But what I am saying is that they have turned their backs on their faith and people and committed apostasy which makes them Jews in name only. Messianic Jews are no longer part of the Jewish people.
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