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Old 03-16-2009, 01:28 PM
 
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Humans are NOT special. We are one planet out of trillions and trillions in this universe. Do you think that JC is going to visit every single other planet with intelligent life on it too?

This point of view seems to assume that human beings are the most important species in the whole univere. I doubt that.
Ah . . . I begin to see your confusion. Jesus is the HUMAN embodiment of God (for our species and planet . . . not the whole universe). It is psychologically understandable (and probably unavoidable) to interpret the creation story in such ego-centric (species-centric) terms. Of course . . . it is irrelevant . . . since ALL will become obvious eventually. I suspect there have to be other incarnations of God consciousness in other species in other solar systems similarly ill-equipped spiritually . . . probably a common failing of carnal versions of life.
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Old 03-16-2009, 01:42 PM
 
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Because the bible says it.
Because Jesus claimed it.
Because the prophets fortold it.
Because the disciples are witnesses of him.

It is possible because God created man in his image. So it was not difficult for him to come in his own image to earth.
OK this is more of the responseI was looking for, because it is getting into what is actually making people believe these stories.

The Bible says it: This is debatable. Also, to me, the Bible is not totally credible because of the traslations and re-wording that are known to have happened with it. And even the original text should not be taken as doctrine. Why do people put 100% trust in the Bible anyway? There are plenty of other books out there just like it.

Jesus claimed it: I have heard lots of people claim to be God. Or claim to be attune to God, etc. What makes Jesus' claim unique?

The prophets foretold it: Do you have any other info on this? And what was the EXACT wording of what they foretold? Which prophets were these? What give them crebabilty beyong other prophets that foretell different things?

The disciples are witnesses of him: What exactly did they witness to prove that JC was God? Maybe what they witnessed in JC was an incredibly powerful mystic. But not God.

These reasons are getting closer to the truth. There there has gotta be more to it than this. Where is the big evidence?
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Old 03-16-2009, 01:44 PM
 
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Ah . . . I begin to see your confusion. Jesus is the HUMAN embodiment of God (for our species and planet . . . not the whole universe). It is psychologically understandable (and probably unavoidable) to interpret the creation story in such ego-centric (species-centric) terms. Of course . . . it is irrelevant . . . since ALL will become obvious eventually. I suspect there have to be other incarnations of God consciousness in other species in other solar systems similarly ill-equipped spiritually . . . probably a common failing of carnal versions of life.
I don't see what makes JC different than others. I don't see what makes Christianity any more true than other paths.
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Old 03-16-2009, 01:51 PM
 
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I don't see what makes JC different than others. I don't see what makes Christianity any more true than other paths.
God there is none like Him.
He is not like His creations

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Old 03-16-2009, 01:55 PM
 
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Sorry...I don't believe that for a second.

Well, do some research and get back to me. I don't believe I'm typing on a computer either, but lo and behold here I am!

Highly evolved humans have been able to vibrate at a level by which they can manifest bodies - sometimes simultaneously - in places thousands of miles apart from one another.

Even raising oneself or another from the dead is not a miracle. It's just a mastery of physics at the highest level.

Again. It doesn't take a god to do that. what Jesus taught us was that we are capable of achieving the same.
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Old 03-16-2009, 01:55 PM
 
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God there is none like Him.
He is not like His creations

What did he create? Everything huh...........? What makes you think this?
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Old 03-16-2009, 02:00 PM
 
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OK this is more of the responseI was looking for, because it is getting into what is actually making people believe these stories.
Ah . . . you want fundies to attack . . . not real intellects equipped to refute your preferred alternative nonsense . . . (probably Islamic). Face it . . . Jesus is it . . . there is far too much to confirm after 2000+ years. You ask which prophets to believe . . . the ones who have been RIGHT . . . and they overwhelmingly point to Jesus.
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Old 03-16-2009, 02:01 PM
 
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Well, do some research and get back to me. I don't believe I'm typing on a computer either, but lo and behold here I am!

Highly evolved humans have been able to vibrate at a level by which they can manifest bodies - sometimes simultaneously - in places thousands of miles apart from one another.

Even raising oneself or another from the dead is not a miracle. It's just a mastery of physics at the highest level.

Again. It doesn't take a god to do that. what Jesus taught us was that we are capable of achieving the same.

You should cook those 'shrooms before you eat 'em.
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Old 03-16-2009, 02:04 PM
 
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I've never been high in my life.

Thanks for the blind accusation. Always the last resort.
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Old 03-16-2009, 02:13 PM
 
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Ah . . . you want fundies to attack . . . not real intellects equipped to refute your preferred alternative nonsense . . . (probably Islamic). Face it . . . Jesus is it . . . there is far too much to confirm after 2000+ years. You ask which prophets to believe . . . the ones who have been RIGHT . . . and they overwhelmingly point to Jesus.
No it's isn't that.

You are supplying a lot of great info about the details of the belief system, and your info is great.

But what I am curious about is simply WHY people believe it.

You are sharing a lot of interesitng ideas. But I am just wondering what exactly makes people think it's true.

As for the prophets being right. I could say the same about some Mayan and Native American prophets. What makes the biblical prophets unique among others?
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