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It went right over your head.
No monotheist in their right mind has ever said god began to exist.
God is outside of time.
Only that which BEGINS to exist had a creator.
Right... and the singularity never "began" to exist, it merely "began" to expand. Such is the nature of our time-space as we know it and can deduce it back. And such would be the nature of such a perplexing mathematically deduced singularity (that no religion ever revealed, since religion never imagined everything was initially caused all at once, let alone in such specific detail).
Is there a problem with the singularity being outside of time for you? Is there a problem (for you) with the singularity "beginning" to do things, then?
How did a "sentient creator" then "begin" doing anything without "beginning"...
Just exactly what is it our schools are teaching that we KNOW is wrong? (Please have enough respect for yourself to avoid saying "evolution.")
I haven't said they knowingly teach things wrong, did I?
They teach things that are unproven. Things that we simply don't KNOW to be true. And yes--evolution is one of them. It's not provable. Along with that, we have speculation about the origins of the universe, but we just don't know.
Right... and the singularity never "began" to exist, it merely "began" to expand. Such is the nature of our time-space as we know it and can deduce it back. And such would be the nature of such a perplexing mathematically deduced singularity (that no religion ever revealed, since religion never imagined everything was initially caused all at once, let alone in such specific detail).
Is there a problem with the singularity being outside of time for you? Is there a problem (for you) with the singularity "beginning" to do things, then?
How did a "sentient creator" then "begin" doing anything without "beginning"...
There's a bit more in genesis than you account for. In the beginning (of the universe) was the logos, to me thats information . God is always outside of time especially then as time didnt even exist.
God begins to create by creating time.
Begin is a definition of time.
Singularity is a word for something we can't fathom but we know it can exist.
Lacking time and space its impossible to imagine what a singularity can pre-exist in because the very space it requires to exist in is bound up within it.
I'd think you'd have better luck pursuing a cyclic model of the universe.
I haven't said they knowingly teach things wrong, did I?
They teach things that are unproven. Things that we simply don't KNOW to be true. And yes--evolution is one of them. It's not provable. Along with that, we have speculation about the origins of the universe, but we just don't know.
Only intellectual ostriches disbelieve evolution. One has to be determinedly obtuse, intellectually impaired or quit school in 3rd grade in order to remain that ignorant.
I think they were sincerely and honestly trying to let you know that they think of them all equally to the extent that they would put a wager on any one of them based on their knowledge or care about them. They'd bet on the "natural/physical/this-dimensional" and "same" over the "supernatural" and "different," if they were forced to bet for some unknown and obviously unnecessary reason.
I am willing to concede (through faith and imagination and not being emotionally invested in there not being magic and super-mega-extra-supernatural forces) that there need to be as many disembodied thinking creators as anyone might want to postulate for all the different things that have different "designs"... And since some of us people design the same things as others, perhaps there could even be "100% multiple yet 100% non-multiple" gods for the very same things (trinity ideas and such). What is this "concession" supposed to help us with? Other than the possible egotistic insecurities of one or "an infinite fraction of an infinity" of these "uncaused" thoughtful creators?
I found the only thing a person needs in order to move forward is a willingness to believe in something greater than self, transcendent in nature. I call it God for convenience only.
It only needs to make sense to you.
For some people its the creative power we see in nature.
At that point religion jumps up and says "that's wrong". But each person is free to form their own concept. No religion required.
Religion is sometimes described as mans attempt to reach God.
Spirituality is God's attempt to reach man.
Only intellectual ostriches disbelieve evolution. One has to be determinedly obtuse, intellectually impaired or quit school in 3rd grade in order to remain that ignorant.
Well bless your heart, you're just full of wonderful, positive things.
Only intellectual ostriches disbelieve evolution. One has to be determinedly obtuse, intellectually impaired or quit school in 3rd grade in order to remain that ignorant.
Its a mistake to conclude that because we observe the mechanism of evolution that it has more explanatory power than it does.
Darwin wrestled with the implications of human intelligence arising from the lower forms of life.
And there's the problem of abiogenisis.
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