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Old 04-13-2009, 02:46 PM
 
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To reverend 1111

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me: Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is none other name under heaven, given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).The Bible says, “Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made” (John 1:3).

If Christ was not GOD then everything will be in vain, from the works of the apostles to the church fathers.. John 1:1 was a very powerful verse that will authenticity of its claims..
For there are THREE that bear record in heaven,
the Father,
the Word,
and the Holy Ghost:
and THESE THREE ARE ONE.

(1 John 5:7)




Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the
NAME
of the Father,
and of the Son,
and of the Holy Ghost:

(Matthew 28:19)


If you are to notice, it only indicate as a NAME and not as NAMES.. which highly indicate that these three are ONE..

The Holy Spirit is the Comforter and will act as the moving force.. By the timeline..

OLD TESTAMENT - the Father

New Testament - Jesus Christ

Grace Period - Holy Spirit
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Old 04-13-2009, 02:48 PM
 
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The Holy Spirit is God's instrument He uses to convey His love into the souls of man. When you deny the love and the workings of the Holy Spirit, you deny God, therefore it is unforgiveable.
Yeah, right, it's a whole lotta love! ha ha.
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Old 04-13-2009, 02:50 PM
 
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Jesus is GOD and came as a form of men for the fulfillment of the prophecies of the Old..
As in Revelation.. HE IS THE ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST..
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Any similiarity of these to Jesus was because they took the prophecies of the Old Testament to come up with their "stories".

They predate Jesus, but NOT the prophecies. They were false saviors who failed.
The problem with this is that it is a personal opinion rather than facts. For one, biblical prophecy is unconvincing and it's language is very vague so interpreting what they mean is based on a subjective rather than objective basis. Also, the writers of the gospels knew the biblical prophecies. They could have made it so that Jesus fulfilled those prophecies. There's also no contemporary historical record that Jesus existed since the first records of the existence of Jesus were the gospels, which weren't contemparies. There is no evidence that makes the existence of Jesus any more plausible than the existence of the pagan saviors.
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:50 PM
 
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Christianity Plagiarized Version of Mithraism (http://www.venusproject.com/ecs/true_origins_christianity.html - broken link)

Angelic Trickery

I'd also like to recommend the movies "The God Who Wasn't There" and "Zeitgeist".
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:52 PM
 
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The problem with this is that it is a personal opinion rather than facts. For one, biblical prophecy is unconvincing and it's language is very vague so interpreting what they mean is based on a subjective rather than objective basis. Also, the writers of the gospels knew the biblical prophecies. They could have made it so that Jesus fulfilled those prophecies. There's also no contemporary historical record that Jesus existed since the first records of the existence of Jesus were the gospels, which weren't contemparies. There is no evidence that makes the existence of Jesus any more plausible than the existence of the pagan saviors.
Very vague?

The Messiah will be raised from the dead (resurrected).

The Messiah’s bones will not be broken (a person’s legs were usually broken after being crucified to speed up their death).

The Messiah will be sneered at and mocked.

The Messiah will be pierced through hands and feet.


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Old 04-13-2009, 03:56 PM
 
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Very vague?

The Messiah will be raised from the dead (resurrected).

The Messiah’s bones will not be broken (a person’s legs were usually broken after being crucified to speed up their death).

The Messiah will be sneered at and mocked.

The Messiah will be pierced through hands and feet.

The stories of the Bible were told and handed down for years before they were actually written down. If the alleged events did happen, the Bible was written afterwards. Not during or before.
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Old 04-13-2009, 03:59 PM
 
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Very vague?

The Messiah will be raised from the dead (resurrected).

The Messiah’s bones will not be broken (a person’s legs were usually broken after being crucified to speed up their death).

The Messiah will be sneered at and mocked.

The Messiah will be pierced through hands and feet.

What verses did you get this from. Also, this still doesn't give evidence for the existence of Jesus since it is using the bible to prove the truth of what is in the bible.
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Old 04-13-2009, 04:02 PM
 
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What verses did you get this from. Also, this still doesn't give evidence for the existence of Jesus since it is using the bible to prove the truth of what is in the bible.
Prepare yourself for the circular reasoning that is sure to follow.
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Old 04-13-2009, 04:03 PM
 
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The problem with this is that it is a personal opinion rather than facts. For one, biblical prophecy is unconvincing and it's language is very vague so interpreting what they mean is based on a subjective rather than objective basis.
Very vague? (Why are they not vague when trying to prove Jesus copied the other "saviors"?)

The Messiah will be raised from the dead (resurrected).

The Messiah’s bones will not be broken (a person’s legs were usually broken after being crucified to speed up their death).

The Messiah will be sneered at and mocked.

The Messiah will be pierced through hands and feet.

Men Will Gamble for the Messiah’s clothing.

The Messiah will be betrayed by a friend.

The Messiah will ascend to heaven (at the right hand of God).

The Messiah will be given vinegar and gall to drink.

The Messiah will be a born of a virgin.

The Messiah’s first spiritual work will be in Galilee.

The Messiah will make the blind see, the deaf hear, etc.

The Messiah will be beaten, mocked, and spat upon.

The Messiah will be crucified with criminals.

The Messiah will be born in Bethlehem.

Shall I go on? Doesn't seem very vague to me.


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Also, the writers of the gospels knew the biblical prophecies. They could have made it so that Jesus fulfilled those prophecies.
You mean, exactly the way I said the other so-called saviors did? Absolutely.

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There's also no contemporary historical record that Jesus existed since the first records of the existence of Jesus were the gospels, which weren't contemparies. There is no evidence that makes the existence of Jesus any more plausible than the existence of the pagan saviors.
They were written by those who had met Him. Just because something wasn't written about Him while He was alive does not equal evidence that He didn't exist.

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