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Let me build a scenario. God says that at a four way stop, the only turn he likes is a right turn. If you turn left or go straight, you go to hell.
Are you free to turn left or go straight? Only if you want to burn in hell. You are therefore restricted to a right hand turn.
This is not exercising your free will but taking orders and avoiding retribution.
The same goes for the free will to believe or disbelieve. God is saying believe and heaven awaits. Disbelieve and fry in hell.
These are not free choices are they.
Right?
You might also re read what I said about children. Do your parents have a right to impose their rules in tour house. The house of a free man?
Regards
DL
the discussion about this point will be useless , do you know why ?
although each of us talking about "free will" but in the fact you are talking about it from different point of view
it's like saying " there is freedom in my country" then i ask you " is that mean that i can kill anyone there without punishment " !!
if you said to me : no you will be prisoned or killed if you commited crimes . hence can i say to you " where is the freedom then ? "
free will means that you have the ability to choose your way , it dosn't mean that it will be okey whatever the way you follow
let me give you opposite example
you don't have free will to choose your parents , but you have free will to choose your religion and to change it
just let me emphasize that free will means the ability to choose , not to means permission to choose
it's like saying " there is freedom in my country" then i ask you " is that mean that i can kill anyone there without punishment " !!
if you said to me : no you will be prisoned or killed if you commited crimes . hence can i say to you " where is the freedom then ? "
By this definition, there is freedom in every country (for most inhabitants at least). I'm not aware of any country whose inhabitants are kept in straight-jackets all their lives.
the discussion about this point will be useless , do you know why ?
although each of us talking about "free will" but in the fact you are talking about it from different point of view
it's like saying " there is freedom in my country" then i ask you " is that mean that i can kill anyone there without punishment " !!
if you said to me : no you will be prisoned or killed if you commited crimes . hence can i say to you " where is the freedom then ? "
free will means that you have the ability to choose your way , it dosn't mean that it will be okey whatever the way you follow
let me give you opposite example
you don't have free will to choose your parents , but you have free will to choose your religion and to change it
just let me emphasize that free will means the ability to choose , not to means permission to choose
No argument here but you forget that we were given dominion. We are to rule.
That means that we are to set the rules and punishments for breaking them. Not God.
Further, we recognize that the punishment should fit the severity of the crime. With God, one punishment fits all. This is unjust.
Good response though. Please do the same on dominion.
By this definition, there is freedom in every country (for most inhabitants at least). I'm not aware of any country whose inhabitants are kept in straight-jackets all their lives.
The way I like to say it is that in free countries, we are all free to follow the rules. We are not free to break them.
No argument here but you forget that we were given dominion. We are to rule.
That means that we are to set the rules and punishments for breaking them. Not God.
we allready have dominion on the earth , every country do whatever they want even if it was opposing the religions
God just command us to rule it by his will but he didn't force us to , he gave us the ability to disobey him . this is the free will which i'm talking about , we believe for example that angeles havn't the ability to disobey God
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Further, we recognize that the punishment should fit the severity of the crime. With God, one punishment fits all. This is unjust.
i believe that with God , punishment will fit the severity of the crime
Depends on the Christianity. Calvinism explicitly denies "free will".
Then they are foolish.
To just get up in the morning is exercising our free will.
If we do not have free will then us slaves, when we sin, can blame whoever's will is controlling us. I like that idea but it cannot be true. We are all responsible for what we do.
Regards
DL
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