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Nothing comes about without a creator? ok fine. let's call that a rule according to you.
1. where did God come from?
2. what was God doing before he created the heaven and the earth?
3. Where was God before he created the universe in which he's in right now?
and if you answered the above 3 questions...
4. HOW DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS?
1. God has always been. Nobody created God.
2. God created time so the question makes no sense.
3. God is omnipresent. He exists both in and out of space.
4. Faith
1. God has always been. Nobody created God.
2. God created time so the question makes no sense.
3. God is omnipresent. He exists both in and out of space.
4. Faith
God can't have always been there. Are you telling me that one day God just became????
if i tell you that i found a watch on the ground, you ask who the designer was. you won't accept the answer of "the watch was always there".
God can't have always been there. Are you telling me that one day God just became????
Think of the curvature of a circle. It has neither begining nor end and if you were a two dimensional stickman then walking on top of it would give you the impression that it extends indefinitely both ways.
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if i tell you that i found a watch on the ground, you ask who the designer was. you won't accept the answer of "the watch was always there".
Of course not. If I saw a watch on the ground instead of say a 13.7 billion year old universe then I would think that it ultimately came from a factory where the watches are mass produced by machinery.
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well, who was the designer of God?
Most people say there was none but I'm also inclined to think that God's God created God.
Most people say there was none but I'm also inclined to think that God's God created God.
then who created God's God?
do you see how pointless this argument is and how silly this idea is?
if the universe MUST have had an intelligent creator, then that creator must have had an even bigger/smarter/more powerful creator so you get to this ever complicating roundabout problem!
there is no God!!!
Nothing comes about without a creator? ok fine. let's call that a rule according to you.
1. where did God come from?
2. what was God doing before he created the heaven and the earth?
3. Where was God before he created the universe in which he's in right now?
and if you answered the above 3 questions...
4. HOW DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS?
When you're dead you will get the answers to all your questions....though by then it will be too late for you to do anything with that knowledge gained.
Are all those questions asked in sincerity or just to test a believer's faith/knowledge?
then who created God's God?
do you see how pointless this argument is and how silly this idea is?
if the universe MUST have had an intelligent creator, then that creator must have had an even bigger/smarter/more powerful creator so you get to this ever complicating roundabout problem!
there is no God!!!
Look all around you. Can all these just happen by chance? Some examples : the earth's distance from the sun. the human body & its workings etc...all require sophistication that nature just can't supply. Only a Creator can and does.
do you see how pointless this argument is and how silly this idea is?
Infinite regression? I'm not sure, since when is are cycles silly?
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Originally Posted by A-BIG-NOTHING
if the universe MUST have had an intelligent creator, then that creator must have had an even bigger/smarter/more powerful creator so you get to this ever complicating roundabout problem!
That computer you are using to type is probably better at multitasking than every person in the world put together. Cars can travel many times faster than the engineers who make them and robot arms are stronger than the roboticists who made it. Sure none of those things are capable of abstract thought(not yet anyways) but then again they weren't designed with that in mind.
Creators don't necessarily need to be more complex than the creations.
Look all around you. Can all these just happen by chance? Some examples : the earth's distance from the sun. the human body & its workings etc...all require sophistication that nature just can't supply. Only a Creator can and does.
We are a tiny planet on a desolate universe. We've searched across many lightyears, looked at millions of stars, gazed deep into space with powerful telescopes, with sophisticated satellites and still failed to find one other miserable instance of life other than us.
There is so much endless non-living space everywhere that it really makes one think that we are an annomaly. Let's face it, we simply do not fit in with the rest of the universe. We seem to be pretty much the result of random chance and if a god does exist then we probably are seen by it as an oddity or an accident.
Look all around you. Can all these just happen by chance? Some examples : the earth's distance from the sun. the human body & its workings etc...all require sophistication that nature just can't supply. Only a Creator can and does.
you obviously know nothing about probabilities! do you know how many galaxies and stars and supernovas there are in the "known" universe?
do you know how small we are?
i highly doubt you are a thinking man! (or woman)
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