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Old 05-09-2009, 09:33 PM
 
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confused.....
any thoughts?
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Old 05-09-2009, 10:16 PM
 
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confused.....

any thoughts?

God created Beings before he created Man and because God is pure love, well you do not just destroy something because it goes against your nature or else i would be long gone for my past sins.

Some christian people believe that Satan is the enemy of god but unbeknown to Satan he was following Gods divine guidance all along.

I believe that Satan is the enemy of man and not God and was jealous that GOD created Man more in his own image and nature which should be good Satan then tricks and weaves his deception on the world because fools like myself cannot do there jobs properly.

i Defended myself in this matter and i told them that i was born in to a world of lies already and although my heart was filled with the holy spirit i left school to early to do manual labour and be amongst the real salt of the earth people and that the early church of my faith the real priests of the people were choosen by the people and this is why the church is falling apart because in this century the minister etc are choosen by the establishment and recieve a very nice earner thank you very much world.

I myself never wanted money until the world blinded me as well and then i was as bad as you ungratful self serving wretches and that is what got me in to a very harsh educational lesson with much begging and pleading on my and your behalf, you lot can believe in the tooth fairy as far as i am concearned i will just tell the truth because i really do not have a choice in the matter and there is no way i am going back to that correctional facility.
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Old 05-09-2009, 10:21 PM
 
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God created Beings before he created Man and because God is pure love, well you do not just destroy something because it goes against your nature or else i would be long gone for my past sins.

Some christian people believe that Satan is the enemy of god...
huh?
so God didn't create Satan? i thought God Created everything!!!!!
and if he DID create satan, WHY would he create an enemy for himself!????
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Old 05-09-2009, 10:22 PM
 
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just guessing, an experiment with free will on a non human, after all he was an angel, one of high rank no? sheer speculation, got nothing to back up this thought at all. my chin is sticking out i am an open target.

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Old 05-09-2009, 10:37 PM
 
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confused.....
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may be were created in satans imagination
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Old 05-09-2009, 10:39 PM
 
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just guessing, an experiment with free will on a non human, after all he was an angel, one of high rank no? sheer speculation, got nothing to back up this thought at all. my chin is sticking out i am an open target.
why would God EXPERIMENT?
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Old 05-09-2009, 10:58 PM
 
Location: OKC
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I myself never wanted money until the world blinded me as well and then i was as bad as you ungratful self serving wretches and that is what got me in to a very harsh educational lesson with much begging and pleading on my and your behalf, you lot can believe in the tooth fairy as far as i am concearned i will just tell the truth because i really do not have a choice in the matter and there is no way i am going back to that correctional facility.

Your rantings are indistinguishable from a lunatics.
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Old 05-09-2009, 11:04 PM
 
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why would God EXPERIMENT?
when you stick you chin out things happen.
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Old 05-09-2009, 11:06 PM
 
Location: AZ
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If God created everything, why did he create Satan???
The same reason that he/she/it created disease, deadly weather, and everything else that causes death before old age. He is a sick MoFo.


God should be executed for crimes against humanity. - Bryan Emmanuel Gutierrez
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Old 05-10-2009, 02:04 AM
 
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The very first verse in the OT that mentions satan is:
1Ch 21:1 And Satan(7584) stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

H7854 שׂטן śâṭân saw-tawn'
From H7853; an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch enemy of good: - adversary, Satan, withstand.

H7853 שׂטן śâṭan saw-tan'
A primitive root; to attack, (figuratively) accuse: - (be an) adversary, resist.
The word is transliterated from the Hebrew word sawtawn or sawtan. Drop the "w's" and there is your word satan.

A couple of translations has this correct:
(CLV) And there stands up an adversary against Israel, and persuades David to number Israel,

(NET) An adversary1 opposed2 Israel, inciting David to count how many warriors Israel had.3

(YLT) And there standeth up an adversary against Israel, and persuadeth David to number Israel,
But notice that in the Latin Vulgate, the same word appears verbatim.
(Vulgate) consurrexit autem Satan contra Israhel et incitavit David ut numeraret Israhel
Lucifer is not satan either but that is another discussion.
Lucifer myth plenty of articles.
Here is one of them:
This is the only passage in the bible that mentions Lucifer. In Christian tradition, this passage is proof for the fall of Lucifer.

However, it is more probable that this passage is an allusion to a Canaantie or Phoenician myth about how Helel, son of the god Shahar, sought the throne of the chief god and was cast down into the abyss because of this. Evidence for this theory comes from an Ugaritic poem about two divine children, Shachar (dawn) and Shalim (dusk), who were born as the result of the intercourse of the god El with mortal women. That would make El, Elyon, and Shahar members of the Canaanite pantheon and the "mount of meeting" is the abode of the gods, which corresponds to Mount Olympus in Greek mythology. Unfortunately, this is just speculation as archaeologists have not uncovered any Canaanite sources that describe Helel ben Shahar or a revolt against Elyon.
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