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mzjamiedawn, your word is called the traditional belief: they believe in their tradition rather than the original Commandments of God.
In fact we believe in the original Torah and Gospel revealed from God, and in particular the Ten Commandments and in particular the First Commandment which is more important than all the Commandments that God is One without associate or equal.
In addition, we believe alos in the Glorious Quran which came to confirm the monotheism and devotion to God alone, and came to correct the mistakes and alterations that occurred in the original Torah and Gospel.
The Disagreement of the
Then from the list of Contents click on:
A Call from God to the People of the Bible
I know that is what you believe. I'm saying Christians do not, and in order for us to even begin to listen to what you are saying, you need to show us proof that there are mistakes and alterations in the Torah and Gospel, by showing us from original copies that they are different, not by the Quran that just says it has changed. Do you see?
Christians aren't just going to accept that someone says the Torah and Gospels were changed, and here is the correct version, that lines up with the Quran. Surely you understand that.
IOW, exactly what the writers of the Bible did with the Enuma Elish, Epic of Gilgamesh, Egyptian Book of The Dead and other pre-existing texts...
This argument is silly, since neither the Bible or Quran are original material.
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Adam was created on one of the earth gardens. That garden was on one of the earth mountains. That garden included many trees with fruits, included drinking water, shades of the trees, in addition to some cattle that God created for Adam in that garden.
Therefore, Adam was not created in heaven, then he descended to the earth by a parachute or space craft, but he descended to the plain land from that mountain.
The story:
God forbade Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of the raspberry, which is a tree with spikes that tear the clothes.
Then Satan suggested to Adam to eat of that tree fruit, so when he approached it, its spikes tore his clothes and his shame appeared, and he saw his shame, as did Eve see his and her shame when she approached that raspberry tree.
Then Adam deceived his wife Eve so she ate of the fruit of that raspberry tree, and its spikes tore her clothes and her shame appeared to her and to Adam.
Then God punished Adam and Eve according to their disobedience: the water found some way and started to spring in the valley below, and so the trees of that garden started to dry up, and they suffered thirst; so Adam complained to his Lord about his new situation, so God ordered them to leave that garden and to go to the plain land to toil and suffer as a punishment for them.
So the sin of Adam was not primary; because that garden was not the Garden of the afterlife, or the Garden of immortality and prosperity.
So that we did not suffer of the consequences of his departure from that garden, which was not the Garden of the afterlife.
There was no serpent to speak to Eve, and the serpent did not speak, as doesn't it speak now nor in the past;
but Satan came to Ezra, the writer of the Torah following their return from the captivity of Nabuchodonosor;
Satan said to Ezra: "If you write Satan deceived Adam, they will not believe you and will say: Who is Satan, and why don't we see him?
But better to say: the serpent deceived Eve who in turn deceived Adam until he ate of the apple fruit of that garden."
Moreover, Eve did not deceive Adam, but it was Adam himself that deceived Eve. It means: Adam sinned first then he deceived his wife to eat of the raspberry fruit of that garden.
The Disagreement of the
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The Second mistake: The Story Of Adam And Eve
Oh Yes, the things some people will come up with when they have entirely too much spare time on their hands. I would have to be pretty dang bored to come up with a story like this.
...aren't just going to accept that someone says the Torah and Gospels were changed, and here is the correct version, that lines up with the Quran.
Some books were lost from the original Bible
I shall give you many obvious evidences that there have been many changes in the present Bible and alterations from the original Torah and Gospel.
First of all there are many books that have been lost by time from the original Bible: i.e. lost or missed books, and this is according to the words of the Bible itself:
1- Book of the Law of the Kingdom
It is mentioned in the Old Testament (the Arabic version, published by the Jesuitical Missionaries at 1939, at Beirut), the First Book of Kings, chapter 10:
“25- And Samuel told the people the law of the kingdom, and wrote it in a book, and laid it before the Lord: and Samuel sent away all the people, every one to his own house.”
Then it is mentioned in the explanation of the Arabic Translator at the end of the book:
“This book had been lost by time, just as had been many other books.”
2- Book of the Just
It is also mentioned in the Second Book of Kings, chapter 1: 17-18
“17-And David made the kind of lamentation over Saul, and over Jonathan his son.
18-(Also he commanded that they should teach the children of Juda the canticle of the bow, as it is written in the Book of the Just.)”
And it is mentioned in the notes of the English version (London, Catholic Truth Society 1956):
“10: 13 The book of the just. In Hebrew Jasher: an ancient book long since lost.”
And it is mentioned in the notes of the Arabic Translator of the Bible:
“This book is one of the books that had been lost by time,
which is also mentioned in the Book of Josue, chapter 10: 13 “And the sun and the moon stood still, till the people revenged themselves of their enemies. Is not this written in the Book of the Just?”
3- Book of the Words of the Days of Solomon
It is written in the Third Book of Kings, chapter 11:
“41- And the rest of the words of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom: behold, they are written in the Book of the Words of the Days of Solomon.”
Then it is mentioned in the notes of the English Duoay version:
“ The Book of the Words. This book is lost, with divers others mentioned in the holy writ.”
Eating from the tree of knowledge supposedly lets man have the knowledge of how to learn. It is an neverending thirst for more, and more knowledge. That is why man was not happy with being in the garden of eden anymore. He wanted to know everything. The tree did not give man all the knowledge that is out there, but the desire to seek it. To this day we are still seeking knowledge, but that is what makes us human. Our greatest thinkers would not be who they were if Adam had not eaten the apple from the tree of knowledge. Man would not understand how to kill or be mean to another man with out knowledge, but who would of wanted to stay a gorilla in the garden of eden for ever. The north african mountain gorillas are very content in their lives munching on leaves all day. What man do you know would give it all up to go back to that. Here is a great saying "Ignorance is bliss". The creation myth is not fact but a story that the ancients used to explain where a thinking animal called man came from. The ancients understood as we do that we are the only sentient tool making animal on earth. They came up with a story of how it happened, but then again they believed in many superstitious beliefs back then also. We are a thinking animal because DNA evolved into what we are, not because two fictational characters were tempted by a non thinking animal i.e. the serpent that talked them into eating a apple. Come on!!!!!!!!!!!
I shall give you many obvious evidences that there have been many changes in the present Bible and alterations from the original Torah and Gospel.
First of all there are many books that have been lost by time from the original Bible: i.e. lost or missed books, and this is according to the words of the Bible itself:
1- Book of the Law of the Kingdom
It is mentioned in the Old Testament (the Arabic version, published by the Jesuitical Missionaries at 1939, at Beirut), the First Book of Kings, chapter 10:
“25- And Samuel told the people the law of the kingdom, and wrote it in a book, and laid it before the Lord: and Samuel sent away all the people, every one to his own house.”
Then it is mentioned in the explanation of the Arabic Translator at the end of the book:
“This book had been lost by time, just as had been many other books.”
2- Book of the Just
It is also mentioned in the Second Book of Kings, chapter 1: 17-18
“17-And David made the kind of lamentation over Saul, and over Jonathan his son.
18-(Also he commanded that they should teach the children of Juda the canticle of the bow, as it is written in the Book of the Just.)”
And it is mentioned in the notes of the English version (London, Catholic Truth Society 1956):
“10: 13 The book of the just. In Hebrew Jasher: an ancient book long since lost.”
And it is mentioned in the notes of the Arabic Translator of the Bible:
“This book is one of the books that had been lost by time,
which is also mentioned in the Book of Josue, chapter 10: 13 “And the sun and the moon stood still, till the people revenged themselves of their enemies. Is not this written in the Book of the Just?”
3- Book of the Words of the Days of Solomon
It is written in the Third Book of Kings, chapter 11:
“41- And the rest of the words of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom: behold, they are written in the Book of the Words of the Days of Solomon.”
Then it is mentioned in the notes of the English Duoay version:
“ The Book of the Words. This book is lost, with divers others mentioned in the holy writ.”
Or open the page The Disagreement of the
Then from the list of Contents click on:
Some Books, Of The Hebrew Bible, Are Lost
I agree there are books written that we don't have today, although I don't agree they were of the "original Bible". I'm talking about the books that we do have, that you say has been changed. I'd like proof to that.
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