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As I said in the other thread, and I've said on here numerous times--the existence of the universe itself is proof enough. The cosmological argument states that for every cause there is an effect.
Ahh, so the universe must be proof that Zeus is real, then?
Now summarize that in your own words please. Let's discuss it.
Go read it, and then we can discuss. I am not going to summarize it for you. You read it and then come back and tell me what about it does not make sense.
Now summarize that in your own words please. Let's discuss it.
I get this alot from people who I try to debate with. I only get posted links or copied materials. You will rarely get real debating. I try to debate with some, but you can point out the few that really don't have what they say that they have, or know.
All, you have to do is ask them to put it into there words, and they will fumble every time. Or, I always get certain people who duck and run, or just want answer my questions.
Get use to it, it's very popular around here. The thing that baffles me is this, people that say that the bible is false or wrong, can't show real information on how they researched to see. Only posted links, or a copied and pasted paragraph.
Go read it, and then we can discuss. I am not going to summarize it for you. You read it and then come back and tell me what about it does not make sense.
I'd like to know if you have the ability to comprehend it. Sorry--I'm not going to do your research for you. If you want to sound smart and have a discussion on it, then bring it.
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Originally Posted by MrBlueSky_
Ahh, so the universe must be proof that Zeus is real, then?
It's proof that there is a God. Once we establish that fact then we'll move on to whether it's Zeus or a real God.
I'd like to know if you have the ability to comprehend it. Sorry--I'm not going to do your research for you. If you want to sound smart and have a discussion on it, then bring it.
It's proof that there is a God. Once we establish that fact then we'll move on to whether it's Zeus or a real God.
Like I need to sound smart to you? That's rich, who are you to me? If you disagree with the link than bring it, I was merely posting a link to some that disagree with YOUR belief that God created the universe. What was God doing before he created time and space? Everything has a creator, except God, convenient for your argument. Everything has a cause and effect, except God, again convenient.
I get this alot from people who I try to debate with. I only get posted links or copied materials. You will rarely get real debating. I try to debate with some, but you can point out the few that really don't have what they say that they have, or know.
All, you have to do is ask them to put it into there words, and they will fumble every time. Or, I always get certain people who duck and run, or just want answer my questions.
Get use to it, it's very popular around here. The thing that baffles me is this, people that say that the bible is false or wrong, can't show real information on how they researched to see. Only posted links, or a copied and pasted paragraph.
Yes same here to you and others, I try to debate and ask for REAL evidence and all I get is more rhetoric from the Bible. People posting quotes and verses. That is not a debate. People cant post why they believe the Bible is real, just quotes FROM the bible.
And something else I have noticed, when one disagrees with someone that firmly believes in God and the Bible, that religious person get very rude. So much for understanding and love.
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