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The claim was made by photo sensing technician George Stephen back in 1989. Mr. Stephen does not believe in Noah's Ark. Yet Mr. Stephen will tell you, there is a large man-made organic object high up on Ararat, and it is broken in two.
It can't be noah's big boat, as you have told us that "it's not time to see the big boat".
Oh, you'll roll 'em all right. For even more outlandish giggles, just check out yesuahsavedme, now referred to as YSM for brevity. Her thoughts are really humorous.
Yes folks, it's "The Tom and YSM Show", an endless comedy troupe brought to you by the Chapel of The Intransigent Christian Darkness. Now put your hands together for....
Oh you! but remember, another thing T&YSM won't/can't fathom or address: just one pair of anything can't successfully repopulate any environment. It's called the "Minimum viable Population" in all the standard introductory ecology textbooks and isn't a silly scientist's "theory"; it was defined to explain what was actually seen when populations dropped below, oh 50 or so. They immediately go extinct. Case in point: California Condors, all caught and placed in sanctuary when their numbers dropped below 50. Just two or everything? With no food or water? Released in the wrong habitat (an Amazonian jungle parrot or Taiwanese salt-water lizard released at the 14,000 foot level, in the snow? Impossible.)
Simple observation and deduction reveals, in an instant, that this is an impossible and totally wack-a-loon story if you try to take it seriously. Our own human genetic diversity ensures that we didn't come from just 2, 4 or even 10 incestuous ancestors, and oh BTW, our DNA also carries remnants of chimp-only stuff, currently just turned off. Hmmm.
Hmmmm... Photo Analysis Material Spectra huh?
See ChrisC, Tom likes to use Big Scientific Terminologies. It impresses him and he thinks it impresses us. The "technique" used by George S. was, quite simply, one that assigned 64 different false colors to the Infrared intensities that reflected back to the satellite. This allows the analyst to separate out different items in the view. And of course a piece of wood, or a rock, or a different density of ice, all reflect different IR signatures. So, yes, if there's an item down there, you can surely pick it out. We were able, at about the same time-frame, to easily spot the polar bears I was tracking via some sat-feeds provided to us by the Point Barrow Naval Satellite station; their hot bods easily showed up against the background sea ice.
But here's the rub. The resolution for commercial interpretations was, until about 3 years ago, on the order of a minimum of 120 meters (about 135 yards or so). In other words, all you see are pixel squares represented in one of those 64 colors. Not, I repeat NOT, that would be NOT... a nice clear representation of a wooden boat, esp. one that was 70 feet (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) UNDER the ice. Even if a bit of it was protruding, as some blurry photos showe,d it would not be conclusive of anything.
I dutifully, honestly, and without laughing, provided a link about satellite resolution, but it was ignored as usual. BTW, current hi-res is down to about 0.5m on good military stuff, but for commercial applications, it's still up at about 1.8m. Anyything smaller, like a petrified dino egg, just don't show up!
This was all wishful thinking, and in such a case, it deserved additional investigation, as do all such claims. None was ever done. No follow-up to this outrageous claim. In fact, if you read George's statements, he goes a bit off the charts in his conclusions, stating "it is wood" when the scanning technology simply identifies different heat/IR signatures. Not material composition. And that it was man-made. Even tho' he never visited the site.
THAT hi-res scanning was left until the late '90s, when this same area WAS scanned by X-Ray fluorescence technologies, which DO identify material content by their unique signature when exposed to X-rays. Oh, and the resolution was by then down to about 20 m.
The result, the one Tom won't acknowledge? This entire area was a large limestone/basalt outcropping, no wood. NO WOOD. NO WOOD.
NO ARK.
But of course, that's too nasty a result, so let's ignore it, certainly don't read the link I provided, and resume chanting the appropriate response.
Oh, and YSM's silly stuff about dino eggs: there's still the problem that the Ark would have to have carried a minimum of about 800 million, probably more lie a billion, species onboard. And eggs need to be incubated, and in many cases the young then tended by an adult after hatching. So to just roll those unattended eggs off the ramp into the snow? Good luck, YSM. (and I thought you were an experience mother...)
Well, that's where it all gets sadly humorous.
And no rifleman, I don't like to use big words, I only use what I have to. I can't help it if some of our more advanced processes require such words.
This entire area was a large limestone/basalt outcropping? WHAT AREA?
There are at least four different areas to consider rifleman. Did you forget that? Which one are you talking about? And please be specific.
And are you just playing dumb here rifleman? Mr. Stephen clearly stated, (THE LAST TIME HE LOOKED AT THE OBJECT,) it was under 70 feet of ice. At no time was he saying he was looking through 70 feet of ice. Of course, if someone wanted to mislead people, they might suggest that kind of nonsense.
Of course Mr. Stephen had access to government satellites, and often their capabilities were more advanced then our general knowledge of them. And for you to suggest they could not identify wood back in 1989. Well, that seems a bit premature. And it was obvious, you were certainly wrong in your belief that GPS numbers were not available to the general public in 1989. The fact was, not only were the numbers available, so were hand held receivers. So forgive me if I only take your statements with a grain of salt.
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It can't be noah's big boat, as you have told us that "it's not time to see the big boat".
So which is it?
When it is time, we will all see it. And I believe it is the big boat. And I also believe God has been giving us a few sneak previews. Of course, the non believer can't believe such a thing could be possible. So they immediately deny any evidence presented, as if their denials would somehow prevent the inevitable from happening.
There are deep and foreboding waters in the river of denial that the delusional are on a float trip down.
Well, Mr. Stephen does not believe in Noah's Ark, so his statement is not based on a religious bias. His statement is based on years of being a remote sensing technician. He tell us, that on Mt. Ararat, there is a rectangular shaped object that is broken in two, and he can see a seperation of about 1200 feet between the two objects in question, with a spectral trail in between the two.
Ed Davis said he saw the Ark of Noah on Mt. Ararat in 1943, and it was broken in two and seperated. Mr. Stephen said the objects were covered with heavy snow, Ed Davis said the same, yet he could see in the ends of the two objects, and he could clearly see triple decks and cages inside. Davis said he saw petrified wood stored in a cave from the Ark. The Turkish and Japanese team stated they found a large petrified wooded structure that was stored in a cave high up on Mt. Ararat. George Hagopian and others will tell you the samething. These people are not liars. And at some point in time, you have to start putting 2+2 together here. If there is any denial here, I'm not the one doing it.
Well, Mr. Stephen does not believe in Noah's Ark, so his statement is not based on a religious bias. His statement is based on years of being a remote sensing technician. He tell us, that on Mt. Ararat, there is a rectangular shaped object that is broken in two, and he can see a seperation of about 1200 feet between the two objects in question, with a spectral trail in between the two.
Ed Davis said he saw the Ark of Noah on Mt. Ararat in 1943, and it was broken in two and seperated. Mr. Stephen said the objects were covered with heavy snow, Ed Davis said the same, yet he could see in the ends of the two objects, and he could clearly see triple decks and cages inside. Davis said he saw petrified wood stored in a cave from the Ark. The Turkish and Japanese team stated they found a large petrified wooded structure that was stored in a cave high up on Mt. Ararat. George Hagopian and others will tell you the samething. These people are not liars. And at some point in time, you have to start putting 2+2 together here. If there is any denial here, I'm not the one doing it.
He didn't have to because there was no global flood
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He didn't have to because there was no global flood.
2 Peter 3:1-9 (KJV) This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
He tells the godly that God's long patience will hasten their repentance
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;
Heb 11:7 (KJV) By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. 1 Peter 3:20 (KJV) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
2 Peter 2:1-9 (KJV) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
The godly shall be spared this punishment, as Lot was delivered out of Sodom
And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
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He didn't have to because there was no global flood
