Your God is not Love (gospel, worship, Christians, beliefs)

[justme58]

Originally Posted by tigetmax24

There is nothing new or original about the assertions made in this video.

What would be the atheist's explanation for the existence of evil?

According to your bible, your god is the author of both good and evil, kind of a yin-yang, I am sure you know the passages I am referring to.

Satan is a modern concept to let your god off the hook for the s#!t stuff he allegedly did in the OT but the schitzo god carries over into Paul's new religion in Romans 9 with the vessels of honour and dishonour.

Now let us see you wiggle your way out of that one shall we?

[Bud235]

Good things and bad things happen in the nature are not the results of some thoughtful process -- they are not brainchild.

Religion wants to control people. Religion explains it as results of their God's and Evil's emotional decisions: wrath, tearful, itchy, joyful ...

A typical religious story would be:

"Do you know why there is tsunami in your area?"
"My God had this wrath because you did not pay my church."
"It's not random."

(in religious language: this is called "conscious universe" = God and Evil did it)

[kitsunegames]

[SurekRZA]

^^Good find

Originally Posted by tigetmax24

There is nothing new or original about the assertions made in this video.

What would be the atheist's explanation for the existence of evil?

While whats good and evil is open for debate. Explaining the existence of evil is quite easy.

We are all capable of dying..therefore we have the ability to kill.
We have the ability to give...therefore we have the ability to steal.
We have the ability to tell the truth...therefore we have the ability to lie.
We have the ability to love...therefore we have the ability to hate.
We have the ability to live in peace...therefore we have the ability to live in terror.
etc etc

Disease...well thats caused by living microscopic organisms that just like us...must compete to survive..they kill us..just like we kill other organisms for food.

just like light exists..the existence of darkness must also be.

I mean is this a better answer: "Sorry you followed the wrong religion now you and your family must burn in hell for all eternity"

OR what about time before christ?
"Sorry you told a lie that one time...now you must burn in hell...sucks you weren't born after Jesus was"

[Bud235]

In any religion, it's impossible to have a loving-figure God. There is a basic logical reason for it: religion needs religious codes, and religious codes can not possibly be enforced with a loving-figure. Tyrannic figure God was the original human creation of God: a temperamental ruthless figure made in the image of a King, an Emperor ...

[Thomas R.]

Originally Posted by SurekRZA

While whats good and evil is open for debate. Explaining the existence of evil is quite easy.

We are all capable of dying..therefore we have the ability to kill.
We have the ability to give...therefore we have the ability to steal.
We have the ability to tell the truth...therefore we have the ability to lie.
We have the ability to love...therefore we have the ability to hate.
We have the ability to live in peace...therefore we have the ability to live in terror.
etc etc

Disease...well thats caused by living microscopic organisms that just like us...must compete to survive..they kill us..just like we kill other organisms for food.

just like light exists..the existence of darkness must also be.

I mean is this a better answer: "Sorry you followed the wrong religion now you and your family must burn in hell for all eternity"

OR what about time before christ?
"Sorry you told a lie that one time...now you must burn in hell...sucks you weren't born after Jesus was"

It would help if you knew more what you are arguing against. Christianity isn't only some narrow group for Bible literalism study in the Deep South.

Catholic Encyclopedia

"With regard to the nature of evil, it should be observed that evil is of three kinds — physical, moral, and metaphysical. Physical evil includes all that causes harm to man"

"By moral evil are understood the deviation of human volition from the prescriptions of the moral order and the action which results from that deviation. Such action, when it proceeds solely from ignorance is not to be classed as moral evil, which is properly restricted to the motions of will towards ends of which the conscience disapproves. The extent of moral evil is not limited to the circumstances of life in the natural order, but includes also the sphere of religion, by which man's welfare is affected in the supernatural order, and the precepts of which, as depending ultimately upon the Will of God, are of the strictest possible obligation" (Closest to watch you mean, but it does not involve people in ignorance)

"Metaphysical evil is the limitation by one another of various component parts of the natural world. Through this mutual limitation natural objects are for the most part prevented from attaining to their full or ideal perfection, whether by the constant pressure of physical condition, or by sudden catastrophes."

In Eastern Orthodoxy evil is simply a mystery. Protestants have various views.

[tigetmax24]

Originally Posted by justme58

According to your bible, your god is the author of both good and evil, kind of a yin-yang, I am sure you know the passages I am referring to.

It doesn't take any great deal of craftiness in order to pull statements out of context.

Those acknowledging the existence of evil must also acknowledge the existence of good. Why do good? If we all come from nothing, go to nothing and everything amounts to some sort of cosmic accident, why should anyone have any concern for doing anything good?

Originally Posted by justme58

Satan is a modern concept to let your god off the hook for the s#!t stuff he allegedly did in the OT but the schitzo god carries over into Paul's new religion in Romans 9 with the vessels of honour and dishonour.

Mocking the Bible does nothing to solve the dilemma. Both you and the OP are leveling the same old tired accusations at God and Christianity.

What is your better alternative? What new great logic are you bringing to the table as reasonable alternatives to God and Christianity?

Boy, it sure was hard to "wriggle" my way out of that one.

[tigetmax24]

Originally Posted by SurekRZA

^^Good find

While whats good and evil is open for debate. Explaining the existence of evil is quite easy.

We are all capable of dying..therefore we have the ability to kill.
We have the ability to give...therefore we have the ability to steal.
We have the ability to tell the truth...therefore we have the ability to lie.
We have the ability to love...therefore we have the ability to hate.
We have the ability to live in peace...therefore we have the ability to live in terror.
etc etc

Disease...well thats caused by living microscopic organisms that just like us...must compete to survive..they kill us..just like we kill other organisms for food.

just like light exists..the existence of darkness must also be.

We both acknowledge the existence of these capabilities. What would provide motivation for anyone to love and do good if our existence is purely accidental?

Originally Posted by SurekRZA

I mean is this a better answer: "Sorry you followed the wrong religion now you and your family must burn in hell for all eternity"

OR what about time before christ?
"Sorry you told a lie that one time...now you must burn in hell...sucks you weren't born after Jesus was"

You don't like the idea of God and Christianity - I get that. What is your reasoned and logical alternative?

[justme58]

Originally Posted by tigetmax24

It doesn't take any great deal of craftiness in order to pull statements out of context.

I know, you theists do it all the time

Those acknowledging the existence of evil must also acknowledge the existence of good. Why do good? If we all come from nothing, go to nothing and everything amounts to some sort of cosmic accident, why should anyone have any concern for doing anything good?

There is no god, now you are free to go rape pillage , steal and maybe even become a homosexual, lemme know how that works for you 'k

Mocking the Bible does nothing to solve the dilemma. Both you and the OP are leveling the same old tired accusations at God and Christianity.

What is your better alternative? What new great logic are you bringing to the table as reasonable alternatives to God and Christianity?

There is nothing logic about your beliefs. Of course we mock your beliefs as they are founded on 2000+ year old writings of ME goatherders.

Boy, it sure was hard to "wriggle" my way out of that one.[/quote]
Not really, you did not even address the assertions, you just do what all theists do, DEFLECT.

So how about you explain to us "heathen" why your gawd claims to create both good and evil, chooses to both bless and curse people, decides upfront who will/may and will/may not serve him?

I am sure you are "well versed" in your buybull so this should be a breeze for someone as logical as you??

Waiting....

[Dredre]

I think that something the first video in this thread doesn't take into account is that Christians assert that there is the presence of not just God but also Satan in the universe. Satan who is both capable of influencing people and wishes to take as many people as possible with him to hell. It is in his best interest that as many people as possible don't know about God and those who do have a twisted view of Him. It isn't in his interest that demons are an every day occurrence. That would guarantee his existence and people would think, hmm if there's a devil...
Remember this is supposed to be someone who has had generations to study humans and is far smarter than any of us could possibly be.

I think what the God is love video doesn't take into account is that yes God is love but he is also a just God who believes in justice. He came to earth to die for sins. Sure a God who could do anything could just say all the sins are erased but then that would be in conflict with His character of justice. The penalty for sin had to be paid for and He decided that He was the one to do it. People love to harp on how God was so tyrannical in the Old Testament but they always take it out of context. The whole Old Testament is like a story. The acts of God in the Old Testament were because God's people, Israel were consistently wicked. And yet God took them back every time. His people constantly broke His covenant and yet He took them back with open arms. It's like an adulterous wife that keeps betraying her husband and yet the husband takes her back. Read Hosea. If anything that is love. None of us would do that. Still God is a just God and there is penalty for sin. Remember this is before the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.

God is a God of order but you can't just apply "if this, then that" logic to everything.