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Lets just mop up the whole "theory" thing. I keep getting people posting that the "theory" of evolution is unproven because its called a "theory". Here is what "theory" means within the scientific community.
Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.
In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.
A theory is like the automobile. Components of it can be changed or improved upon, without changing the overall truth of the theory as a whole.
Some scientific theories include the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity, the atomic theory, and the quantum theory. All of these theories are well documented and proved beyond reasonable doubt. Yet scientists continue to tinker with the component hypotheses of each theory in an attempt to make them more elegant and concise, or to make them more all-encompassing. Theories can be tweaked, but they are seldom, if ever, entirely replaced.
Just because the scientific community think if may true, doesnt make me believe it anymore, regardless of theory or not.
Just because the scientific community think if may true, doesnt make me believe it anymore, regardless of theory or not.
That is fine. Remember that science is based upon facts. If you chose to ignore them or not believe them it is your choice, but you are essentially disbelieving reality.
That is fine. Remember that science is based upon facts. If you chose to ignore them or not believe them it is your choice, but you are essentially disbelieving reality.
whos reality? evolution cant be 100 % proven, and my reality is based upon what God says, not man. (For we walk by faith, not by sight 2 corithians 5:7
whos reality? evolution cant be 100 % proven, and my reality is based upon what God says, not man. (For we walk by faith, not by sight 2 corithians 5:7
The reality of the world in front of you. Measurable, observable, refutable, etc.
Evolution has been 100% proven. You may ignore that fact if you like, but the fact remains.
Your reality is based upon a book that says that it is the word of god, but with no actual proof of this. That is an assertion, not a fact.
I think we will need to drop this at this point. Arguing either evolution, the validity of the bible, or the scientific method are all more appropriate to other threads, many of which are currently active.
The reality of the world in front of you. Measurable, observable, refutable, etc.
Evolution has been 100% proven. You may ignore that fact if you like, but the fact remains.
Your reality is based upon a book that says that it is the word of god, but with no actual proof of this. That is an assertion, not a fact.
I think we will need to drop this at this point. Arguing either evolution, the validity of the bible, or the scientific method are all more appropriate to other threads, many of which are currently active.
ok i agree, we can go to a new thread, or just agree to disagree
Last edited by arguy1973; 06-01-2007 at 07:29 AM..
Evolution has been 100% proven. You may ignore that fact if you like, but the fact remains.
Evolution, or at least the theory that man evolved from apes, at best, is an idea about history but it is not an observational science, because evolution is not something we can observe. If it's happening now, it's occurs at a rate to slow to accurately measure. If it happened in the past, we cannot go back there to check it out. There might be some claims that we can make today about the past based on observations, and they may or may not be true, but we cannot make assertions that ideas about history are the same as repeatable observations in here and now.
Now to say that we are adapting to our environment and developing in our abilities, yes, we are doing that.
If researchers confirm their belief that homosexuality is indeed either genetic or innate due to differences in the brain when the person is born would that change your oppinion as to if the behavior is a sin or not?
I am wondering because I think it isn't a choice, I think you are born that way. So if you are born that way then God must have made you that way and it can't be a sin to be as God intended you to be.
So would it change your mind if this is proved by medical science?
OK - how about you rephrase it like this: If researchers confirm their belief that pedophila is indeed either genetic or innate due to differences in the brain when the person is born would that change your opinion as to if the behavior is a sin or not?
Frankly, just because a person is born with a predilection that 90% of the population does NOT have does not mean the 90% have to accept that predilection. What about sexual sadists? What if, as is supsected, they are found to have genetic or brain chemistry differences at birth that "make them that way," should we assume God wants them to be that way? How about people who are born with no arms and legs? If God made them that way, should this mean you don't make any attempts to help them?
According to ancient Christian teaching, it is not the condition of homosexuality that is an abomination, but the **practice** of homosexuality - and living the "homosexual lifestyle." Homosexuals simply must follow all the same restrictions expected of everyone - no sex outside of marriage. (And, no, homosexuals cannot marry each other.) If that means no sex ever, then so be it. If it means sexual sadists cannot rape, mutilate, and kill, ever, then so be it. If it means pedophiles cannot fondle and molest children, ever, then so be it.
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Evolution has been 100% proven. You may ignore that fact if you like, but the fact remains.
Evolution, or at least the theory that man evolved from apes, at best, is an idea about history but it is not an observational science, because evolution is not something we can observe. If it's happening now, it's occurs at a rate to slow to accurately measure. If it happened in the past, we cannot go back there to check it out. There might be some claims that we can make today about the past based on observations, and they may or may not be true, but we cannot make assertions that ideas about history are the same as repeatable observations in here and now.
Now to say that we are adapting to our environment and developing in our abilities, yes, we are doing that.
Actually, the theory of evolution does not say that man evolved from apes. Rather it states that apes and man have a common ancestor, but they each deviated from that line of descent.
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2 corithians 5:7