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Old 10-25-2014, 02:17 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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I fully recognize that. I never said it wasn't fun.
We have partaken of said encounters in the past, have we Pastor Vizio?

Good for you! Your human.

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You're off-topic. Good for you that you get tested. The question though, was whether or not our partner's gender means we are more or less moral?
No more, or less, off-topic than the point I was responding to...yours.
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Old 10-25-2014, 02:59 PM
 
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Thanks for that link, Ceist. It's good to see an evangelical Christian more interested in truth than rebuking and demonizing..

Sadly, he's the first I've come across.
I know, there aren't many of them. More from him:


“Characteristics of Mixed Orientation Couples: An Empirical Study":

http://wthrockmorton.com/2011/07/15/new-study-sexual-behavior-changes-but-not-sexual-orientation/

"While it was not a study of efforts to change, one could reasonably assume that if a group had participants who had shifted orientation very much, then this would be the group. However, that is not what they found"

Christian Psychologist Dr Throckmorton says: "I think evangelicals need to face what evangelical academics are finding in research
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Old 10-25-2014, 03:07 PM
 
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Sexual hormones and the brain: an essential alliance for sexual identity and sexual orientation (2010)
Endocr Dev. 2010;17:22-35. Epub 2009 Nov 24. Garcia-Falgueras A, Swaab DF.

The fetal brain develops during the intrauterine period in the maledirection through a direct action of testosterone on the developing nervecells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hormone surge. Inthis way, our gender identity (the conviction of belonging to the male orfemale gender) and sexual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we arestill in the womb.

There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect ongender identity or sexual orientation.

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Old 10-25-2014, 03:11 PM
 
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Brain scans have provided the most compelling evidence yet that being gay or straightis a biologically fixed trait.
The scans reveal that in gay people, key structures of the brain governing emotion, mood, anxiety and aggressiveness resemble those in straight people of the opposite sex.

"This is the most robust measure so far of cerebral differences between homosexual and heterosexual subjects," she says.

Previous studies have also shown differences in brain architecture and activity between gay and straight people, but most relied on people's responses to sexuality driven cues that could have been learned, such as rating the attractiveness of male or female faces.

To get round this, Savic and her colleague, Per Lindström, chose to measure brain parameters likely to have been fixed at birth.

"That was the whole point of the study, to show parameters that differ, but which couldn't be altered by learning or cognitive processes," says Savic.

"This study demonstrates that homosexuals of both sexes show strong cross-sex shifts in brain symmetry," says Qazi Rahman, a leading researcher on sexual orientation at Queen Mary college, University of London, UK.

"The connectivity differences reported in the amygdala are striking."
"Paradoxically, it's more informative to look at things that have no direct connection with sexual orientation, and that's where this study scores," says Simon LeVay, a prominent US author who in 1991 reported finding differences(pdf) in a part of the brain called the hypothalamus between straight and gay men.


PET and MRI show differences in cerebral asymmetry and functional connectivity between homo- and heterosexual subjects
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/20...66105.abstract
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Once Gay always Gay?! I think not-brainscans.jpg  

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Old 10-25-2014, 03:39 PM
 
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Why am I picturing fundavangelists' brains exploding from Ceist's barrage of evidence?

Oh wait. I know.

It's because I'm a sinner and destined for hell.
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Old 10-25-2014, 03:43 PM
 
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Here's a new article published this year in Advances in Genetics:

The biological basis of human sexual orientation: is there a role for epigenetics?


Adv Genet. 2014;86:167-84. doi: 10.1016/B978-0-12-800222-3.00008-5.
Ngun TC, Vilain E.


Abstract
Sexual orientation is one of the largest sex differences in humans. The vast majority of the population is heterosexual, that is, they are attracted to members of the opposite sex. However, a small but significant proportion of people are bisexual or homosexual and experience attraction to members of the same sex. The origins of the phenomenon have long been the subject of scientific study.

In this chapter, we will review the evidence that sexual orientation has biological underpinnings and consider the involvement of epigenetic mechanisms. We will first discuss studies that show that sexual orientation has a genetic component. These studies show that sexual orientation is more concordant in monozygotic twins than in dizygotic ones and that male sexual orientation is linked to several regions of the genome. We will then highlight findings that suggest a link between sexual orientation and epigenetic mechanisms.

In particular, we will consider the case of women with congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH). These women were exposed to high levels of testosterone in utero and have much higher rates of nonheterosexual orientation compared to non-CAH women. Studies in animal models strongly suggest that the long-term effects of hormonal exposure (such as those experienced by CAH women) are mediated by epigenetic mechanisms. We conclude by describing a hypothetical framework that unifies genetic and epigenetic explanations of sexual orientation and the continued challenges facing sexual orientation research


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Old 10-25-2014, 04:13 PM
 
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Why am I picturing fundavangelists' brains exploding from Ceist's barrage of evidence?

Oh wait. I know.

It's because I'm a sinner and destined for hell.
Seriously, anyone who claims that there is no scientific evidence for the biological basis of sexual orientation just hasn't bothered to look in the literature.

Perhaps they are too busy looking at porn?

I just found this new study published this month:

Do American States with More Religious or Conservative Populations Search More for Sexual Content on Google? - Archives of Sexual Behavior- Oct 2014.

Abstract
In America, religiosity and conservatism are generally associated with opposition to non-traditional sexual behavior, but prominent political scandals and recent research suggest a paradoxical private attraction to sexual content on the political and religious right. We examined associations between state-level religiosity/conservatism and anonymized interest in searching for sexual content online using Google Trends (which calculates within-state search volumes for search terms).

Across two separate years, and controlling for demographic variables, we observed moderate-to-large positive associations between: (1) greater proportions of state-level religiosity and general web searching for sexual content and (2) greater proportions of state-level conservatism and image-specific searching for sex. These findings were interpreted in terms of the paradoxical hypothesis that a greater preponderance of right-leaning ideologies is associated with greater preoccupation with sexual content in private internet activity

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Old 10-25-2014, 04:22 PM
 
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It's the 21st century. I think it's time Christian Churches and leaders apologised for their history of abominable mistreatment and vilification of gay and lesbian people. This is a start:

Alan Chambers, the president of Exodus International, (the largest 'ex-gay' 'pray away the gay' group) stated in 2012 that 99.9% of Exodus members had not changed their orientation.

Alan Chambers: 99.9% have not experienced a change in their orientation

In 2013, he closed down Exodus and apologized to gay and lesbian people for all the harm they had caused:

“I am sorry for the pain and hurt that many of you have experienced. I am sorry some of you spent years working through the shame and guilt when your attractions didn’t change. I am sorry we promoted sexual orientation change efforts and reparative theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents.

“I am sorry I didn’t stand up to people publicly ‘on my side’ who called you names like sodomite—or worse. I am sorry that I, knowing some of you so well, failed to share publicly that the gay and lesbian people I know were every bit as capable of being amazing parents as the straight people that I know. I am sorry that when I celebrated a person coming to Christ and surrendering their sexuality to Him, I callously celebrated the end of relationships that broke your heart. I am sorry I have communicated that you and your families are less than me and mine.

“More than anything, I am sorry that so many have interpreted this religious rejection by Christians as God’s rejection. I am profoundly sorry that many have walked away from their faith and that some have chosen to end their lives.
Read more... Exodus Int

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Old 10-25-2014, 04:51 PM
 
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Seriously, anyone who claims that there is no scientific evidence for the biological basis of sexual orientation just hasn't bothered to look in the literature.

Perhaps they are too busy looking at porn?

I just found this new study published this month:

Do American States with More Religious or Conservative Populations Search More for Sexual Content on Google? - Archives of Sexual Behavior- Oct 2014.

Abstract
In America, religiosity and conservatism are generally associated with opposition to non-traditional sexual behavior, but prominent political scandals and recent research suggest a paradoxical private attraction to sexual content on the political and religious right. We examined associations between state-level religiosity/conservatism and anonymized interest in searching for sexual content online using Google Trends (which calculates within-state search volumes for search terms).

Across two separate years, and controlling for demographic variables, we observed moderate-to-large positive associations between: (1) greater proportions of state-level religiosity and general web searching for sexual content and (2) greater proportions of state-level conservatism and image-specific searching for sex. These findings were interpreted in terms of the paradoxical hypothesis that a greater preponderance of right-leaning ideologies is associated with greater preoccupation with sexual content in private internet activity

This stuff is very interesting. Though it seems to suggest that our brains always lean heterosexual in their functioning (IE: "...congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH). These women were exposed to high levels of testosterone in utero and have much higher rates of nonheterosexual orientation...") and that what we have, for example, in some female homosexuals, is a "male" brain with heterosexual attractions giving the person the appearance of a homosexual because that "male" brain is in a body that presents as female. Hmmmm...I wonder if a girl like that were to be with a man if she would, from a "brain" standpoint be conducting "her"self homosexually? OTOH there are the "bi" people where everything is fair game. I wonder how THAT is established innately?

As far as the "too busy looking at porn" comment (that I'm sure referred to me). I have looked at a tremendous amount of porn...but that is only because I've been "manufacturing" it for the past 30 years...so it is one of my vocations. I'm actually not into porn personally...not at all. I just do it as one of my business endeavors. I've mentioned this many times before. https://www.city-data.com/forum/33737309-post465.html And, yes...the religious are a big market segment.
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Old 10-25-2014, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Seriously, anyone who claims that there is no scientific evidence for the biological basis of sexual orientation just hasn't bothered to look in the literature.

Perhaps they are too busy looking at porn?

I just found this new study published this month:

Do American States with More Religious or Conservative Populations Search More for Sexual Content on Google? - Archives of Sexual Behavior- Oct 2014.

Abstract
In America, religiosity and conservatism are generally associated with opposition to non-traditional sexual behavior, but prominent political scandals and recent research suggest a paradoxical private attraction to sexual content on the political and religious right. We examined associations between state-level religiosity/conservatism and anonymized interest in searching for sexual content online using Google Trends (which calculates within-state search volumes for search terms).

Across two separate years, and controlling for demographic variables, we observed moderate-to-large positive associations between: (1) greater proportions of state-level religiosity and general web searching for sexual content and (2) greater proportions of state-level conservatism and image-specific searching for sex. These findings were interpreted in terms of the paradoxical hypothesis that a greater preponderance of right-leaning ideologies is associated with greater preoccupation with sexual content in private internet activity

Hypocritical Fundamentalist Christians?

Whoda' thunk it?

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