Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Systems in themselves are not sinful. People are sinful.
Capitalism or socialism could probably work if people's motives were pure, but they aren't.
People under capitalism get tripped up on greed and will take advantage of others to get more.
People running socialism get tripped up on power and control and wield unreasonable control over others.
It's the people - not the system.
Now capitalism (which I favor) is more freedom based than socialism. 1 Thess. 3 in the Bible says that if you do not work, you do not eat. This runs counter to the principles of socialism.
Sin is the disobediance of God's word and will....
God shares everything with ALL LIFE....and humans are going out of their way to be greedy onto themselves with all Life.....that is the difference between God, and Humans!
Jesus Points that out by saying..."The Birds toil not, and herd not anything into Barns, and God Loves them, How much more would God Love those who do his will and fulfill his word?"
Genesis 9:3 shows US that God Gives freely!..genesis 2:15 is growing on us more and more the more it is not done!
Of course if the gifts are being abused, misused, and twisted into detramental and destructive estates...Well, we seem to have that going for US these days....God will no doubt be ready to take back...
Like little children doing bad....the overseer must take control before the stupidty destroys the world....or the overseer does not care about sinning children destroying themselves with sins or by Evil doers!
So by all means let us find out if God cares about the Sinners who are now at work polluting the planet, and using the IDOL, and making human sacrifices onto it, so we all need universal health care for a Higher and higher price...eh?
And let us eat the tainted fish, and poison produce...Let us Live a unnatural and unclean life, and pollute the world under that IDOL...and keep popping them children out to be consumed by sinners and evils they LOVE to do!...and Make!!!
Surely you see what is going on....and you probably even support it all with the taxed hand, and the bent votes.. but in buying and using the dead blood which is now polluting the entire world, and making it unclean...
That continue to use this dead blood (fossil fuels), When God said not to touch it....wonder why?
And we have a power source (THE SUN) and if we the people sowed those seeds God gave us...(and there are no weeds made by God)...we then climatize the planet, and the need for fuel is reduced!
The cost of living is reduced!
The food supplies grow...as we sow For God...and less people go hungry!...When we Give Like God Gives!
Yes sharing and caring is the way to a better world order!
And ALL Life have a Vote to cast on US....and they remember the Poisons, tresspasses and abusive conduct we have done onto them...
That is what they were trying to do when we arrived on the seen,,,make Edens!...gain control by asking all people to Give their owned property back to God, so it could be made clean again...because they were putting all things under an IDOL of ENGRAVEN IMAGE...
And this brought about the plagues, and pestilences, wrath and woe...God warns us about.
IF WE CONTINUE TO SIN...that is how it will be!
And look...there it is!...DO you see what I see?
Funny lines of parallels and paradoxes...I'd say...
Wrath, woe, and pestilences!
So I'd say God does care about some people...and he wants us to stop sinning..and see the light.
They do not want to bring in clean and natural solutions to our energy problems, our food problems, and our living for Higher price Problems..nor do they want the debt to be reduced... and or let us be self suffient in that estate, or live for free...cause it is not profitable!
Sickness and death is!...So let us pollute, and make the whole world a bio hazard then...and bask in that glory!
Talking of Christianity in the way you talk of it is impossible, because which Christians live in communes?
The very first converts to Christianity. That would be circa 60 CE to about maybe the late 2nd Century or so.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhioanKid
Furthermore, which denomination taught you needed to give away all of your belongings? Perhaps you could enlighten us on that by being a little more specific?
That would be the Gentile Christians.
If you want to call it "denominations," and I think you could, you had two denominations, the Jewish Christians and the Gentile Christians.
The Jewish Christians were mostly Greek-speaking, and they followed all of the traditional Jewish customs, such as mutilating the penis, observing the holidays, conducting sacrifices, complying the with torah, the Mitzvot, and so on.
The Gentile Christians were also mostly Greek-speaking, as they were centered around the Aegean Sea rim (where the first seven "churches" were located) and the areas of Asia Minor. They did not engage in penis mutilation, they did not observe the holidays, they did not comply with the torah (ie they ate pork and catfish and other fowl and animals that were prohibited in the torah and midgets and dwarfs and men with one testicle and men who were missing digits or limbs were allowed to be clergy and minister to people), they did not comply with the Mitzvot, and they did not conduct sacrifices. In fact, they basically rejected the Old Testament, except for the writings of the prophets.
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhioanKid
Not everyone in this forum knows exactly what you mean. They may read your argument and believe that all Christianity is the same. The thing is, it isn't. There's really no such "religion" as Christianity; it's way too broad and diverse to be a formal religion.
Well, it is the same, I mean they mostly all believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of Yahweh, and that Jesus is Yahweh, and Jesus is Casper the Friendly Ghost (except when it's Yahweh's turn to be Casper the Friendly Ghost), and Jesus is not Yahweh, and Jesus is his own father and Jesus is not his own father and Jesus is not Jesus except when he is Jesus and you can see Jesus whenever he is not there, but when Jesus is there no one can see him except when he's not there and what not.
Well, it is the same, I mean they mostly all believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of Yahweh, and that Jesus is Yahweh, and Jesus is Casper the Friendly Ghost (except when it's Yahweh's turn to be Casper the Friendly Ghost), and Jesus is not Yahweh, and Jesus is his own father and Jesus is not his own father and Jesus is not Jesus except when he is Jesus and you can see Jesus whenever he is not there, but when Jesus is there no one can see him except when he's not there and what not.
Oh, you're clever, aren't you. You can just make up that statistic "most" and imply some pretty rude things your explanation and pass it off as true, can't you? Nope!
Be more specific, please. This is the second time I've asked, if I remember correctly. And use some real facts that do not imclude calling the Holy Spirit by a cartoon character.
Oh, you're clever, aren't you. You can just make up that statistic "most" and imply some pretty rude things your explanation and pass it off as true, can't you? Nope!
Be more specific, please. This is the second time I've asked, if I remember correctly. And use some real facts that do not imclude calling the Holy Spirit by a cartoon character.
Those were mostly real facts. Seriously what I said about the early Christians is true.
Seleucus was given the Levant, Mesopotamia, Arabia and Persia after Alexander the Great died.
The majority of Jews were Greek-speaking, which is why the Septuagint was written in Greek. Hebrews was written in Greek for Greek-speaking Jews.
There was a lot of tension between the Hellenistic Jews and the Aramaic Jews. Deuteronomy is a wholesale change in theological thought. After Deuteronomy, the only place you can sacrifice is at the Temple in Jerusalem, the whole manner of sacrifice changes, and focus is on being faithful to Yahweh, for which you would allegedly prosper. Then with the latter prophets, the focus shifts to social justice, taking care of the poor, the widows, the orphans and the marginalized.
That's why you read in Acts or Paul or whatever that the Hellenistic Jews are complaining that the Aramaic Jews aren't taking care of the widows, orphans and poor who are Hellenistic.
The Apostles have dismal success getting converts in the Levant, but great success in the Aegean Sea area and Asia Minor, where Gnosticism and Mithrianism are prevalent.
During the Jewish Wars as Vespasian's legion group moves through Galilee, Samaria and Idumea, the Christians all flee to the Aegean Sea area. The Christians in Judea flee to Jerusalem, but Vespasian, and later his son Titus who took control of the legion group after Vespasian becomes emperor, granted amnesties to those who would leave the city. The rebel followers of the christs controlled the gates to the city and allowed Christians to leave, but not Jews.
Most of those Christians fled Jerusalem and went to Pella. From that point on, Christianity is mostly Greek-based, even though there are "churches" in Rome, Milan, and a few other cities on the Italian Peninsula. Titus then becomes emperor and later is poisoned by his brother Domitian. Then you have the "Reign of Terror" including the second persecution of Christians (Nero sanctioned the first) and that's when John writes Revelation on the Island of Patmos in the Aegean Sea in 96 CE.
Christians were heavily persecuted and had difficulty engaging in commerce, (they were often slaves), so they lived in communes, just like "hippies" in the US in the late 1960s.
The theology is consistent up until the time of contact with the Goths, at which point you have the "Arian Heresy" (having Jesus as god would be polytheism), and then later the Manichean version of Christianity arises.
The Manicheans were more successful at gaining converts than Christians. It spread like wild-fire until Diocletian banned it in 297, and then later started wholesale slaughter of the Manicheans. They all fled the Empire and headed east.
Had it not been for that, you might be a Manichean Christian, since they out-numbered Christians 4 to 1 for several centuries before being supplanted by Islam (Manichean Christianity died out last century).
Constantine made Christianity an official religion, and issued a series of edicts that banned Jews from having Christian slaves, compensated Christians for lost property, returned property seized from Christians, elevated the Christian clergy to the same status as the Pagan clergy (tax exempt and exempt from conscripted labor -- a form of tax), and returned all the Christians who had been seized to work in mines and on galleys to their homes.
There was still continual fighting between the Greeks and the Arians, so Constantine called the Council of Nicea to determine which side, Arian Christianity or Greek Christianity would prevail, and the Greeks won out, otherwise you'd be an "Arian" Christian.
Then later around 380 Emperor Theodosious made Christianity the sole authorized religion and then in 533, Emperor Justinian made John, the Bishop of Rome...
“…the head of all Bishops and the true and effective corrector of heretics.”
From that point on and for the next 1,000 years, you have one version of Christianity, Catholicism, and it was believe or die a horrible death as several millions of Eastern Orthodox, Bogomils, Waldensians, Cathars, Nestorians and others found out.
Then you have the various Protestant denominations.
Still, the bottom line is that they're all Christians. They all use the same texts, and have the same core belief, which is that some guy named Jesus is the Christ instead of a christ, like John Christ of Gishala, John Christ Bar Giora (taken in chains to Rome by Titus) and Simon Christ the Idumean (those were three of about 100 christs running around during the Jewish Wars 66-70 CE).
Even though some Christians don't buy the Virgin Mary thing or don't acknowledge the "Saints," it doesn't change the fact that they still all hold the same core beliefs.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
So are mothers who feed their babies socialists?
Or should they be given food on credit (like the 1st world 'helps' the 3rd world countries)?
