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Old 06-14-2017, 07:18 AM
 
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Originally Posted by finalmove View Post
I'm 64 and my knee hurts all the time. It's called aging. Take some Tylenol and quit feeling sorry for yourself.
Congratulations - you're a crabby 64 and choose to endure constant pain, only abated by taking an over the counter liver killer. Yeah, that's sound advice, and with such a compassionate tone.

 
Old 06-14-2017, 07:23 AM
 
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Here's my situation:
Today is my 1 year Retirement Anniversary. I retired early and live on a severance and savings because it was obvious my boss wanted to be rid of me. I find my self with a nice 3 story townhome too big for me that is mortgage free (worth 420K), filled with my possessions and collections I love, and few friends. I have saved 1.5 mill in retirement and non retirement savings. I traveled extensively internationally on vacation from July to February, and now I have nothing to do. In February, I developed L. Knee pain which has worsened into painful osteoarthritis. I now limp and sometimes need a cane to walk. I cannot work in this condition if I wanted to.

I was thinking of spending the next year selling off all my possessions in the house; getting the deck repaired, then putting the house on the market next June. I would like to take a round the world cruise. I would settle in my hometown in Canada to receive free health care (I am Canadian, with dual citizenship with US pending this year). I would then snowbird to Arizona or Florida in the winter and visit my 2 sons and grandchildren while back in the US.

This is the best plan I could come up with , but I wonder if depression is clouding my thinking . I am not expecting anyone to feel sorry for me and I have received mental health counseling/medication. Some may feel I shouldn't complain. I do feel this is a good example of senior years not being what you expected. I am totally bored and everyday is the same. My knee hurts. I never expected not to be working at 58.
First, I think that sounds like a great plan.

Second, so you thought you would be working, till when? And then what? Your retirement plan sounds fine.
I don't think you are depressed so much as not managing your expectations.
 
Old 06-14-2017, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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58 is WAY too young to have your attitude. Get your knee fixed and enjoy life!
I'd recommend the same. Your new FULL TIME JOB is to get the knee fixed and to get the rest of your body physically fit. There's no reason why you can't work on your upper body with weight training. Exercise lifts my spirits, mood. You other job is to maintain your finances for the next 3-4 decades of your life.

I would definitely downsize the household and take the proceeds ($) and build up the retirement nest egg. Find a smaller, more cost efficient place to live.

I like the Canada to Ariz (or S. Utah, or N. Mex or FL) snowbird plan. Me? I'm a couple of years younger and have settled in FL and travel every summer in a little RV. It gives me something to do each summer and see the country. I see people in their 80s-90s in huge RVs.

You statement that the boss wanted to get rid of you is revealing. Perhaps you identify too much with your work. So many people do that. Time to appreciate your professional accomplishments (it sounds like you've done a lot). Maybe it didn't end like you wanted, but you've got a lot of financial resources to carry on the next chapters of your life.
 
Old 06-14-2017, 07:57 AM
 
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Kevxu: Thanks for providing thoughtful insight. This is so much for helpful than being told to "quit complaining".
I expected to get blasted by some, for telling my situation. That's the way these boards are. I hope I never get so jaded as to dismiss someone's valid concerns on here as a non issue. Some of you recognized the underlying depression in what I posted. Money can't help me; I must help myself.
Baby:

You ARE worthy! You ARE valuable! Just figure out at what and how!

Is that all you needed to hear?


I may have blasted you, but as you can see by MY story, you are far better off than I am.
My post is neither positive nor negative, just giving you a "reality check". Blowing smoke up your butt WON'T help you!

You are over-generalizing, catastropizing, rathionalizing and allowing one or two issues to ruin your life. Ask your therapist about 'cognitive therapy'.

At just $1m, you could never ever earn another penny in any interest or dividends, and still draw down $33,333.33 {$2775+/-/month} a year for the next 30 years and THEN you will run out of money. You mentioned SS, so I assume that while in Canada, you must have working years in USA to get some SS. You have that to look forward to, too. Add $2775+ the $1800 and you have $4,500/ month to spend, though the interest will decrease as you draw down. Not bad at all, and you should outlive your money.

That's about what MOH and I have for income a year; with MOH's two part time jobs {one not guaranteed any particular hours, MOH is looking to change that, when the money is good, it's good, but when there's no work, it's bad}, my SSDI, and my working pay; yet, we are considered "lower middle income" for my area, but look at it: we have FOUR incomes to do it!

I returned to work for the following reasons:
1} I AM bored after 13 years of "no job, no alarm clock, no boss, no money"
2} My SSDI no longer pays much in bills. By working I can increase it and my eventual SS payout. I still have working years left to include in my SSDI and SS. For a while, I can collect my SSDI and work, it IS allowed by the government.
3} I, too, feel "useless", not quite a "burden on society" as I worked at least 2 jobs all my life and earned what I get in SSDI, but have/had no "direction".
4} volunteering {which I've done and am looking for a new outlet} is great, but it takes time and has no paycheck.
5} we really need the money.

My job is part time, 3 days a week, 24 hours a week. It's all I can handle, but at least it's a steady, reliable income. It also gives me 4 days off a week to recoup or to do other things, like being "semi-retired". I come home and stumble into the house, literally, and fall into bed, sometimes only half undressed. The feeling of exhaustion is overcome by the elation of actually "doing something productive". Perhaps you can find a sit-down job, secretarial or something to do, if "self-worth" is your only obstacle to a happier life.

You said you are not a candidate for knee surgery. Yet. As much trouble as I have with my back, and though I have pins screws and plates, it's not enough, and I am still not a candidate for surgery to correct what may really be causing the pain.
The cane has been by my side, day and night for about 9 years. I had to re-learn how to do things. For instance, how to carry two bags of groceries AND my cane. I learned to carry only one and make multiple trips. I learned to carry smaller loads and more trips.
I learned to carry a catch-all bag with me to carry things in in one hand while my other operated my cane. The very first time I asked for a carry out at the grocery store, I felt "belittled" by my own self, my own mind, while they were pleased to help. It took lots or courage and guts to ask for a carry-out, now, I have no problem. But it was HUGE step for me to ask, I am male and considered "strong" of course.
I had to learn to be "strong" in other ways, that is "strong" enough to ask or help when I needed it.

It also seems to me you know what you need to do, already without this posting. Maybe you want confirmation, validation, or are open to ideas.

YOU have options, you have money, $1800/m is your self imposed limit, but you can draw just 1% of your funds and still have {what is the exact figure? $1.2million?} enough to live out your years.

I suggest, only a suggestion, but you seem on the right track for you: clear out the clutter of you home. Sell on ebay {if you want the hassles of shipping}, sell at a garage sale, sell on craigslist, get rid of the clutter you don't need. Then, as I suggested, if you want to summer in Canada, buy a small but valuable condo where all snow removal and lawn care is done for you, and perhaps maintenance included. Then to be near your kids in AZ {If I remember correctly}, look into something small there, too. It needn't be in an expensive city, but maybe a small town nearby an hour away where costs are lower. You should be able to do both for $200k-300k. You will then have about $100k{+} that you can travel a bit and still not touch your savings. Like many other retirees, you need to shift habits from saving to spending what you have saved. Or add to your lump sum. Or it gives you three years at the $33,333. to live worry free while your money grows before you draw down.

Or, start your own business with the leftover $100k, just plan well, and don't overspend what the income will be from it.

Overall, you have options! LOTS of options! sit down and write out your "bucket list" and see what each will cost and then DO IT! JUST DO IT!

When Life hands you lemons, make lemonade. The Sun WILL come out tomorrow {ok, maybe not tomorrow, maybe a day or two later, but it WILL }

It's really hard for me to be sympathetic to your plight when it seems your only issues are a bum knee and a self-imposed depression. Life happens. Everything that happens is 10% what happens to you and 90% HOW YOU REACT TO IT.

You got terminated, so move on to another job if you want, you are certainly NOT the only person forced into retirement, nor permanently laid off.

Many people don't have $50k in savings, you have over a million! Be greatful!

NOW, you have OPPORTUNITIES that holding down a job didn't afford you, TAKE ADVANTAGE of them!

Many people go through a "midlife crisis" or "forced retirement blues" or "catastrophic changes" in life. AS someone said, when a door closes, a window will open, if not OPEN A WINDOW YOURSELF! SOme ONLY WISH for "forced retirement"

DO that bucket list BEFORE the cane becomes a constant need.

Look at how you have blessed, NOT what you have lost!

If need be, learn to adapt to your new life. So you're a little older, a little disabled, a little cheap. Look at the opportunities you DO have in front of you.

For those who blast you {if you consider me too}, well, if they tell you their story like I have, perhaps stand back and OBJECTIVELY look at your situation. You will see how much you have been blessed, how much you have gained, and really how insignificant your predicament is, with just being forced into retirement and a bum knee. You have MANY options I DON'T have, will probably NEVER have.

{If I was forced into retirement now, I'd be back living under a bridge {like when I was homeless} if I had to wait until my real FRA SS kicked in! My retirement savings won't last that long. I'm hoping by working again, I can boost retirement savings too, in addition to boosting my SS.}

Hope you find some happiness, nay, peace in your life, plan better for the future,and it will look brighter!

Mine does, by simply making the change of going back to work, and being a "working person with disabilities". I'ts a hard row for me to hoe, I'm finding, but I am sticking to it, SO that my future will hopefully be brighter! You do the same!

Continued best of luck to you!

 
Old 06-14-2017, 10:04 AM
 
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Originally Posted by BabyJuly View Post
Here's my situation:
Today is my 1 year Retirement Anniversary. I retired early and live on a severance and savings because it was obvious my boss wanted to be rid of me. I find my self with a nice 3 story townhome too big for me that is mortgage free (worth 420K), filled with my possessions and collections I love, and few friends. I have saved 1.5 mill in retirement and non retirement savings. I traveled extensively internationally on vacation from July to February, and now I have nothing to do. In February, I developed L. Knee pain which has worsened into painful osteoarthritis. I now limp and sometimes need a cane to walk. I cannot work in this condition if I wanted to.

I was thinking of spending the next year selling off all my possessions in the house; getting the deck repaired, then putting the house on the market next June. I would like to take a round the world cruise. I would settle in my hometown in Canada to receive free health care (I am Canadian, with dual citizenship with US pending this year). I would then snowbird to Arizona or Florida in the winter and visit my 2 sons and grandchildren while back in the US.

This is the best plan I could come up with , but I wonder if depression is clouding my thinking . I am not expecting anyone to feel sorry for me and I have received mental health counseling/medication. Some may feel I shouldn't complain. I do feel this is a good example of senior years not being what you expected. I am totally bored and everyday is the same. My knee hurts. I never expected not to be working at 58.
You need to retire to a 55+ retirement community that has lots of activities. Our community has over 30 clubs to choose from so you surely find something you like. Plus you are with people as much as you want.
Start checking communities out online and start visiting them. It will give you something to do. Also our community has a Canadian club and social nights as there are lots of Canadians down here. Now get started on your research!
 
Old 06-14-2017, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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You need to retire to a 55+ retirement community that has lots of activities. Our community has over 30 clubs to choose from so you surely find something you like. Plus you are with people as much as you want.
Start checking communities out online and start visiting them. It will give you something to do. Also our community has a Canadian club and social nights as there are lots of Canadians down here. Now get started on your research!
Outstanding advice. I live in one. Definite not for everyone. But if social isolation, loneliness is a problem, this can help as there are many social outlets available. There are a lot commonalities among residents. There are travel groups, cruises, and singles looking for attachment, friends, partners.
 
Old 06-14-2017, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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I retired early and live on a severance and savings because it was obvious my boss wanted to be rid of me.
Is it truly paranoia if they really are out to get you?
 
Old 06-14-2017, 10:35 AM
 
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Kind of appalled by the comments here. "Suck it up" is not exactly helpful. Seems like there's a lot of jealousy flying around.

Pain is a huge trigger for depression. Treat the knee and get it replaced if necessary, but also take the depression seriously. It is just as detrimental as the physical pain. Increase your time with the therapist and get yourself on some kind of regular schedule in terms of how you structure your day.

Schedule regular times to speak with your children and grandchildren on Skype. Write your memoirs - not necessarily for publication, but for your children and grandchildren to read. You've traveled a lot, it sounds like, so you have probably seen some intersting stuff. Take up something like knitting and volunteer to knit baby's blankets for hospitals. Get some really good magazine subscriptions since you're not that mobile right now and read. When I was in a situation where I was limited with what I could do physically, it was reading that kept me from going bonkers. If you have any artistic interests, no matter how basic, look into pursuing those - maybe watercolors or even coloring books. This is what Amazon Prime is for - you can order all kinds of entertainment.

When you're more mobile, it will be time to look into joining some groups in your area. But a good activity would be swimming when you are able. My roommate has many physical disabilities, and swimming is an activity that she is able to fully enjoy despite her severe arthritis.

Antidepressants could be a solution if you can't get yourself out of this funk. Nothing wrong with a boost.

ADDENDUM: It is definitely time to offload the house. Either that or take in well-vetted roommates in your age range or with similar values. I know people who have done that with good results.
 
Old 06-14-2017, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Nice call! Tylenol kills the liver.
I think I'd rather live with a sore knee.
All drugs can do harm and many many do. I take both tylenol and ibuprofen as I have worked out a system and use liver support supplements, have been for years. Don't take these without food in my stomach.

I deal with bodywide OA and thinking about replacements I could be the bionic woman if I got everything replaced and then live with all the complications from the surgeries. I live with plenty complications from a hip replacement in 2010.... I'm 79 soon and have one narley knee. And dreading a knee replacement.
 
Old 06-14-2017, 11:23 AM
 
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I am unsure why the OP needs to feel grateful for her financial resources. They were not, presumably, windfall gains that fell from the sky. She, like most in her position, had to plan, experience years of education, budget and save.

I also fail to see the relevance or helpfulness of other posters sharing their more impecunious lives in this context as if there should be some correlation as there is none whatsoever IMO.

Those living on less than a million have their valid story and this poster has hers; no relationship or connective relevance between the two financial scenarios.
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