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Well, I was comparing us to averages. Don't you think you are cherry-picking the data a bit, Hollytree? I wasn't looking at Hartford or Albany, I was looking at the mean and median (median, because, according to site, some cities with abnormally high officer employment tend to inflate the mean). The link shows:
Now, you can make some arguments about how we're ultra-compartmentalized and should include Central Falls/Cranston/Pawtucket in those numbers, for a fair comparison. And that's fine, but you'll have to run those numbers.
It's worth noting that the cities you chose are in the northeastern US, as of course are we. There could be some regional bias. There are lots of metrics one could look at to find out how efficiently our police force is operating. Crime stats along with this data is certainly one of them.
However, I am puzzling over your statement that you're asking for more police on the East Side, when the crime there is so very low.
One would have to know many things about the "peers" being compared to. For one are these all urban "major" cities? Providence cannot be compared to a Virginia Beach or Irvine, CA. It obviously requires more police per capita than those cities with similar populations but more suburban characteristics. Do those other "peers" also have other overlapping jurisdictions ie. county sheriffs departments to compliment the municipal PDs? Again, that could make them appear to have fewer than they do in reality. For those reasons, I think comparing Providence to those northeastern peer cities is the most realistic. And no, Providence does not have a high number of cops per capita. The idea that "it's one of the safer cities, so therefore it doesn't need more cops" is uninformed and a ludicrous notion. Tell that to woman who had to wait 20 minutes for the police to show up as her husband was beating her. "But the statistics"...
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Well, I live on the East Side and I don't want more police presence. I saw them while running coming up behind parked cars on Blackstone the other day and approaching people sitting in their cars, maybe looking for people sitting and smoking weed? Whatever. I was aghast at the wasteful look of it. Minor stuff like packages being stolen, or cars being broken into, are just that, minor. I'd rather have them in the few places where real crime may happen to deter it. I don't pay taxes for services for me, but for the community.
What makes you think they were smoking weed? Wasteful "look" of it??? Fact is you had zero clue what they were doing or why. But maybe you should call your city councilman, and remind them that there is no "real crime" on the East Side and that the police stay away.
HINT: Crime is everywhere. Even in Belmont. Even in tranquil Wayland Sq. Kills me how sheltered some are, sorry.
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Loving the history!
redplum33, what's the verdict on the area between Broadway and Westminster St. (Spencer, Harkness St. etc.)? That's what I really think of along the lines of where Federal Hill has deteriorated more over the years.
I hadn't seen that post you quoted as I have that user on my ignore list and don't see any of their posts unless quoted. But if the reference to club shootings and "gangbangers from South Providence" is referencing the Club Seven and El Patio mess, I don't think any of the people arrested were from South Providence. I didn't follow the story closely, so I am not certain, but this Projo story says one was from Silver Lake, and one was from Washington Park. The five others were from other cities/towns.
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Janssye Toucet, 32, of 1775 Bicentennial Way, North Providence; and Tatiana Flores, 25, of 38 Marion Ave., Providence, face multiple assault, conspiracy and firearms charges related to both shootings.
The other five suspects face multiple assault, conspiracy, obstruction, and firearms charges.
The people charged include Garrido; Anthony Florian, 26, of 139 Pierce Ave., Warwick; Keven Restrepo, 28, of 578 Laurel Hill Ave., Cranston; Jonathan Garrido, 26, of 584 Plainfield St., Providence; and Nathan Geter, 28, of 167 Blackstone St., Woonsocket.
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You live there so would obviously know better, but there is a wide consensus claiming that you can get a cop to your house in 30 seconds on the East Side while in South Providence somebody literally has to die for a cop to be dispatched and that police presence there is virtually non-existent.
In general, most of the rest of the city feels that the East Side gets special privileges/service from all city departments. I hear it all the time, from all over the city. I don't think it is quite as bad as people say, but there is probably some truth to it. One area where it has come up quite a bit recently is about the nightclub issue, which is impacting the quality of life of immediate abutters in many neighborhoods. I have heard several residents complain that the clubs on Federal Hill, in the West End, Elmwood, South Providence, and Washington Park would never be allowed on the East Side. This seems to have become a problem under Mayor Elorza. That doesn't make these areas no-go zones, but there are concerns surrounding these clubs that the Mayor's administration either refuses to address or is impotent to resolve.
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One would have to know many things about the "peers" being compared to. For one are these all urban "major" cities? Providence cannot be compared to a Virginia Beach or Irvine, CA. It obviously requires more police per capita than those cities with similar populations but more suburban characteristics. Do those other "peers" also have other overlapping jurisdictions ie. county sheriffs departments to compliment the municipal PDs? Again, that could make them appear to have fewer than they do in reality. For those reasons, I think comparing Providence to those northeastern peer cities is the most realistic. And no, Providence does not have a high number of cops per capita. The idea that "it's one of the safer cities, so therefore it doesn't need more cops" is uninformed and a ludicrous notion. Tell that to woman who had to wait 20 minutes for the police to show up as her husband was beating her. "But the statistics"...
I agree that a more in depth look would be required and suggested as much. And not to cherry pick, but naturally I looked at the numbers for Portland Oregon and Seattle since I know the cities. Both are urban cities. There is a Multnomah County Sheriff (Porltand) and King County Sheriff (Seattle) but they're not patrolling the streets of the cities.
Portland has 14.1 officers per 10k.
Seattle has 19.8 officers per 10k.
They're both much bigger cities, and both have higher violent crime rates per 100,000 than Providence according to the FBI statistics in Post #1.
I agree that a more in depth look would be required and suggested as much. And not to cherry pick, but naturally I looked at the numbers for Portland Oregon and Seattle since I know the cities. Both are urban cities. There is a Multnomah County Sheriff (Porltand) and King County Sheriff (Seattle) but they're not patrolling the streets of the cities.
Portland has 14.1 officers per 10k.
Seattle has 19.8 officers per 10k.
They're both much bigger cities, and both have higher violent crime rates per 100,000 than Providence according to the FBI statistics in Post #1.
Portland is definitely severely understaffed, to the point of it becoming a crisis that has made national news.
Average response to a high priority incident is now 8 minutes. That is dangerous and unacceptable. Nothing really to do with Providence, just saying Portland can't be used as a model to measure up to. Both cities have their work cut out for them, but I doubt either have the money to fix it right now.
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
There have been 12 homicides in Providence in 2019. It has already surpassed last year's total of 11.
In other words, this thread title is misleading. It has increased, not declined.
The thread speaks to the decreased long term violent crime trend in Providence. The FBI takes the long view & doesn't wait, breathlessly, for each next murder tragedy to occur in the city.
The thread speaks to the decreased long term violent crime trend in Providence. The FBI takes the long view & doesn't wait, breathlessly, for each next murder tragedy to occur in the city.
The thread title states violent crime continues to decline (present tense). It declined in 2018.
The title is not only misleading but also incorrect.
(Still wondering what you meant by "Only 4 homicides left!")
"WJAR-TV reports that 819 violent crimes were reported in 2018, the LOWEST NUMBER ON RECORD".
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Fact is you had zero clue what they were doing or why. But maybe you should call your city councilman, and remind them that there is no "real crime" on the East Side and that the police stay away. 
