Should Sac try to get the A's to move here? (Los Angeles: neighborhoods, high school)

[fresnofresno]

No, try to keep the kings. Sactomato is to small to support professional teams.

[sacramento916]

Originally Posted by fresnofresno

No, try to keep the kings. Sactomato is to small to support professional teams.

There are cities smaller than Sac that have two professional teams.

Sac has 2.3 million. It's one of the top 25 metros. I think it is big enough to support two pro teams.

[fresnofresno]

Originally Posted by sacramento916

There are cities smaller than Sac that have two professional teams.

Sac has 2.3 million. It's one of the top 25 metros. I think it is big enough to support two pro teams.

Sac has 470,000 people. There might be 2.3 million in the metro but then again how is tahoe your metro or anything east of roseville for that matter. Traveling east on the 80 give you an idea the size but it doesn't seem the population is concentrated in that direction. You guys need population gains in city proper not just metro. We passed you guys in the 90's and haven't looked back.

[fresnofresno]

Originally Posted by sacramento916

There are cities smaller than Sac that have two professional teams.

Sac has 2.3 million. It's one of the top 25 metros. I think it is big enough to support two pro teams.

Yeah and your metro is like 8000 sq miles. Please put the arena downtown because it doesnt look good when your metro is in top 25 but your arena is built in the boonies.

[CeJeH]

oh fresno people trying to play the "we're bigger than sac" game. I know your population is technically a little bit higher, but anyone who has ever been to these 2 cities know that sac is wayyyy bigger and it's not even close. Not only is out metro area twice as big, but if you include the "uncity" portions of sac (areas like south sac and arden-arcade, which use Sacramento as their address and technically are just outside the city limits but are unincorporated areas) then our population is more like 650k+, and even those 2 areas alone would make us way bigger than Fresno. Not to mention were home to 2.3 mil people whereas Fresno only recently broke 1 mil.

And no, our population is not spread out all the way to Tahoe. yes, Tahoe is in Eldo County which is technicaly part of our metro area but there is nothing between El Dorado Hills/Cameron Park and Tahoe population wise. The bulk of the people in our region are in Sac county and southwest placer county, which is only ~30 miles away from downtown and not "in the boonies" as youre implying. Also if you look at downtown in terms of the people that work there and live in the suburbs our central city is FAR bigger than anything Fresno would ever dream of. Downtown Fresno is a ghost town.

Ive already gone thru a list of all the MLB cities that are smaller than Sac and a plethora of reasons why we could support a team. many of the cities I listed have 2 professional franchises! Cincinatti, Cleveland, and Kansas City all have and NFL franchise to go along with the MLB franchise (Cleveland actually has 3 pro franchises). We can support these teams here. We led attendance for the Kings for decades when they were cellar dwellars in the NBA and people here are baseball crazy. We can def support the A's.

[CeJeH]

Actually I looked back over that list and every single MLB market I listed that is smaller than Sac's market has 2 or more professional franchises, with all but 1 of those cities ( Milwaukee) having an NFL franchise which requires a much higher fanbase and a much bigger/more expensive stadium than an MLB team would. We can def do this.

[wburg]

Originally Posted by fresnofresno

No, try to keep the kings. Sactomato is to small to support professional teams.

I take it from this statement that you don't consider the Kings a professional team?

Sacramento County has more people than the Fresno MSA in one-third the land area. The rest of the MSA adds up to another million, spread out primarily because much of the MSA is either agricultural land or mountains. But sports teams are not divvied up based solely on population: this isn't SimCity where you unlock a reward at a certain population point.

Originally Posted by fresnofresno

Yeah and your metro is like 8000 sq miles. Please put the arena downtown because it doesnt look good when your metro is in top 25 but your arena is built in the boonies.

21,000 square miles, actually, with 60% of the population in 5% of that area (Sacramento County.) And I note that Fresno State's basketball team moved from Selland Arena downtown to Save Mart Center five miles away--about the same distance as Arco Arena is from downtown Sacramento.

[bluevelo]

No for the A's and No for the Kings. Stop corporate socialism/welfare.

[pistola916]

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Yes, let's boycott all professional sports! (Sarcasm). Who cares if major American cities have them, we don't need the NBA or MLB to raise the city's profile. We can stick to our parks, schools, businesses...

[fresnofresno]

Originally Posted by wburg

I take it from this statement that you don't consider the Kings a professional team?

Sacramento County has more people than the Fresno MSA in one-third the land area. The rest of the MSA adds up to another million, spread out primarily because much of the MSA is either agricultural land or mountains. But sports teams are not divvied up based solely on population: this isn't SimCity where you unlock a reward at a certain population point.


21,000 square miles, actually, with 60% of the population in 5% of that area (Sacramento County.) And I note that Fresno State's basketball team moved from Selland Arena downtown to Save Mart Center five miles away--about the same distance as Arco Arena is from downtown Sacramento.

Your county has more persons hands down. Your downtown looks and is nicer hands down(only because of gov't). Back in the late 90's was the last time I was at arco and from the looks of it then it had to be the most desolate professional venue, my opinion. I know it has grown since but thats just my point !!!! burbs. The area around the SMC in fresno is actually city limits and have been long before my birth 1980.And Screw a MSA, i can give a crap about anyone's growth but my city. Thats why your city proper so damn small anyway because you cant attract people to the City(low density?). Odds are you are not technically in the city of sac just the surounding boredom. Sac is a step up from fresno but 3 down on the real big cities in cali. Big city huh! u still have ONLY 6 lanes on 99.