Do we underestimate and downplay how Great Sacramento weather really is? (Oakland: agriculture, discount)

[gsdogmom]

First of all, just for accuracy sake, I'm not a "he." Interesting that you would automatically call me "he" without knowing for sure (although the "gsdogmom" should have given it away -- German Shepherd Dog Mom. Maybe I'm in the minority being able to figure out people's User IDs).

Second, I'm well aware of why you started a thread about Sacramento weather and that was so you could defend it. But saying, "Other places are a whole lot worse" doesn't make living in Sacramento any better! That's like if someone said, "Don't move to Oakland, California or you'll be dodging bullets everywhere you go" and someone else says, "Well Detroit is worse!" That does NOT make Oakland a great, or even fair place to live just because other places are worse! By the way, I've been to other cities, so just because I've only lived in two major metropolitan areas in my life (so far) doesn't mean I'm oblivious to the weather in other parts of the country. I have family in New Mexico, an ex-husband in Texas, and friends all over the country. I have been in all of the 48 connecting states, plus Maui, Hawaii (and Canada and Mexico, but let's stick to one country at a time).

Third, people need to stop talking about air conditioning. Do all you people sit at your computer all... day... long? I go outside. I go outside a LOT. I have four big dogs, we have a giant parklike backyard where I love to garden and throw toys that the dogs love to fetch, and I don't have air conditioning in my backyard. Shoot, I don't even have shade trees. Some imbecile cut them all down before I bought the property so I've planted 12 new trees. Won't be here to watch them mature but I've gotten them off to a great start so the next owners will benefit. When we go to parks for picnics, no AC there either. Parades, same problem. Even just walking from the car into a shopping center, restaurant, or a movie theater mid summer will make my hair stick to the back of my neck. Yuk.

Anyway, as many others have mentioned here, your numbers and especially your outlook are skewed so they don't mean much. It's created a lot of conversation though if that was really your goal, and it's great that you love it in Sacramento, just stop trying to convince people that it isn't hotter than hades here in the summer (and part of the spring and part of the autumn), because it is. Every place I've gone in the past few days someone there has said, "I'm SOOO glad it's finally October!!!" That's no way to live where half of the year people are belly-aching about the heat, walking and driving around in bad moods, and waiting for time to pass so it's bearable again. And it's only getting worse, not just with global warming, but with no water to speak of.

Bye, bye Sacramento. You USED to be a great place to live but not any more.

[Chimérique]

I am not trying to convince people of anything other than reporting FACTS, you have not provided any weather data at all.

Many people have corroborated my data, and the weather data I've reported is consistent with the weather data of the last 150 years. Even in this drought, our actual weather has not changed much other than one important variable which is precipitation (rain and snow).

If you choose to ignore facts, that's fine, as it only fits with the premise of the thread which is: "in relation to the rest of the nation, do we underestimate and downplay how great Sacramento weather really is".

So you say you can't do this or that outside because of weather conditions, well, there are a a lot of other cities where you can't do outside activities as well.

In other cities, they can't do things outside because it is either too hot 24/7 like Phoenix or Vegas, or too humid hot in almost the entire 3/4 of the rest of the nation(NYC, DC, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Nashville, Austin, and another 25-50 larger metros across the nation. They all need A/C as much or more than Sacramento does. And those places do not have a window of comfortable weather in the summer on a daily basis like we do in the morning, a.m. daytime, and at night as well.

I love Sacramento and its weather!

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by gsdogmom

Bye, bye Sacramento. You USED to be a great place to live but not any more.

So, it's hotter in Sac now than it was in the past?

[JohnS_15]

Haha this thread is ridiculous. Although it has become epic now at 86 pages of arguing over the weather!

It's human nature to complain about the weather. Ever been to England?? The Brits are professional weather complainers. The whole country freaked out when it got above 90 degrees for a day this July - people were coming down with sunstroke and allsorts! A week later they were back to complaining about the rain.

It gets hot in Sacramento in the summer. As it does in all of inland California. But generally the climate here is pretty mild compared to much of America. I really don't get what the big deal is.

[Chimérique]

Originally Posted by JohnS_15

Haha this thread is ridiculous. Although it has become epic now at 86 pages of arguing over the weather!

It's human nature to complain about the weather. Ever been to England?? The Brits are professional weather complainers. The whole country freaked out when it got above 90 degrees for a day this July - people were coming down with sunstroke and allsorts! A week later they were back to complaining about the rain.

It gets hot in Sacramento in the summer. As it does in all of inland California. But generally the climate here is pretty mild compared to much of America. I really don't get what the big deal is.

There is Nothing ridiculous about the weather. I present FACTS and make informed comments about these facts. Besides, People love to talk about the weather.

Again, comments like yours are the reason for the premise of the thread. It gets hot, but how hot, and when, and when is not hot during summer and for how long.

All of this is even more meaningful when comparing with where else one could live, like all the other cites and Metros in the nation. Which is a major reason for City-Data, comparing cities with one another.

Perhaps facts are meaningless to you in regards to the weather, instead you would rather believe what is exaggerated or presented without context.

Yes it gets hot in Inland California as it does in most of the nation, not just inland California, but how hot, how often, what kind of hot, how long does it last, and how do all the places compare to one another.

This thread answers those questions with detail in comparison with Sacramento weather.

[JohnS_15]

Originally Posted by Chimérique

There is Nothing ridiculous about the weather. I present FACTS and make informed comments about these facts. Besides, People love to talk about the weather.

Again, comments like yours are the reason for the premise of the thread. It gets hot, but how hot, and when, and when is not hot during summer and for how long.

All of this is even more meaningful when comparing with where else one could live, like all the other cites and Metros in the nation. Which is a major reason for City-Data, comparing cities with one another.

Perhaps facts are meaningless to you in regards to the weather, instead you would rather believe what is exaggerated or presented without context.

Yes it gets hot in Inland California as it does in most of the nation, not just inland California, but how hot, how often, what kind of hot, how long does it last, and how do all the places compare to one another.

This thread answers those questions with detail in comparison with Sacramento weather.

Your first post... 86 pages ago... is a pretty accurate depiction of the weather here. The fact that it has gone on for 86 pages is what makes it ridiculous. I was just pointing that out. You are trying to be rational about something that people are totally irrational about.

Personally I have no arguments with your weather facts and have no beef with the weather here.

I do wonder your motivation for so staunchly defending Sacramento at every turn. Are you on the tourism board or something??

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by JohnS_15

Your first post... 86 pages ago... is a pretty accurate depiction of the weather here. The fact that it has gone on for 86 pages is what makes it ridiculous. I was just pointing that out. You are trying to be rational about something that people are totally irrational about.
Personally I have no arguments with your weather facts and have no beef with the weather here.
I do wonder your motivation for so staunchly defending Sacramento at every turn. Are you on the tourism board or something??

I find the thread interesting. If you want to start your own and see if you can acquire 86 pages of posts by talking about how horrible Sacramento is, then by all means - feel free to do so.

[Chimérique]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I find the thread interesting.

Glad you feel that way. I find it interesting because I never knew there was a microclimate within the 500 mile long Central Valley during the summer, and that microclimate includes the entire City of Sacramento.

The fact that coastal California has near perfect weather, fair and mild, with very little temp changes, very little variation from season to season blinds people to what the weather is really like in Sacramento compared to the rest of the nation.

The other fact that when you compare Sacramento's high temps to most of the rest of the USA using only "actual temp" and ignoring "heat index", "dew point", "humidity", you do not get an actual picture of what the weather is really like during the summer.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Chimérique

Glad you feel that way. I find it interesting because I never knew there was a microclimate within the 500 mile long Central Valley during the summer, and that microclimate includes the entire City of Sacramento.

The fact that coastal California has near perfect weather, fair and mild, with very little temp changes, very little variation from season to season blinds people to what the weather is really like in Sacramento compared to the rest of the nation.

The other fact that when you compare Sacramento's high temps to most of the rest of the USA using only "actual temp" and ignoring "heat index", "dew point", "humidity", you do not get an actual picture of what the weather is really like during the summer.

I grew up in the SF bay area and my parents would take us to the State Fair every year (this is when it was on Stockton Blvd) and my mom would whine about not wanting to go, complaining that Sacramento was too hot. To which my dad replied "for reasons that I am not at liberty to share with you, Sacramento is one of the few places in the US where it can be miserably hot in the sun but extremely comfortable under the shade of a tree" I always liked the "I'm not at liberty to tell you" part

[Chimérique]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I grew up in the SF bay area and my parents would take us to the State Fair every year (this is when it was on Stockton Blvd) and my mom would whine about not wanting to go, complaining that Sacramento was too hot. To which my dad replied "for reasons that I am not at liberty to share with you, Sacramento is one of the few places in the US where it can be miserably hot in the sun but extremely comfortable under the shade of a tree" I always liked the "I'm not at liberty to tell you" part

LOL, the California sun is pretty intense even in the Bay Area, a 68F degree day in SF with the sun beating on you makes it feel a lot warmer.

Perhaps, "I'm not at liberty to tell you" meant that he didn't really know why it was "so comfortable" under the shade........now we know, lol